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Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

FpUser wrote: post #44
xinayder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

>"Regulation doesn't hinder innovation" General statement that means zilch. Regulation depending on particular conditions can definitely curtail innovation or destroy it completely. Bureaucracy wants to regulate everything including how often we fart.

Take the agricultural policies in the EU. They want to correct against overproduction while doing ecologically good but they interpolate of cause from past data. Now take the hottest year on earth to come in 2027 due to El Nino and that collapsing already strained expected harvest and you are looking at reasonable policies producing starvation, due to a inability to plan for a future not in the data yet.

And the whole glut is artifical in the first place because surplus wheat is not allowed to be used as energy, no it must rot in storage snd get "animal grade" before you can use it otherwise. The whole reason the eu system still works is because the traders largely ignore the central planing system, shipping things from high regulated eu countries to "i dont give a f**" countries, recertify it there and then reimport.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by vanviegen »

nozzlegear wrote: post #61
vanviegen wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The industry was allowed to develop, but not allowed to cause harm.

Substitute develop with innovate and perhaps the thrust of my comment becomes more clear?

My reply still works when s/develop/innovate/. Companies were (and are) allowed to innovate in order to solve the blocking problems around supersonic flight. They just weren't allowed to ignore those blocking problems.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by jstummbillig »

xinayder wrote: post #25
pelorat wrote: post #9

> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

> Regulation doesn't hinder innovation

Regulation can and often most certainly does hinder innovation -- but we might want that, because we get other things we value in return.

Regulation can sometimes also further innovation (one example being property rights). It depends on what is being regulated and how.

I never understand why people make obviously false claims when trying to argue a position. Instead of making the bad case, just try a bit harder, like you ask of these CEOs, and make a good one.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by Ekaros »

xinayder wrote: post #40
bob001 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So most people not wanting to hear sonic booms to benefit a small group of high wealth fliers is bad?

Or having mandatory security checks in place after frequent accidents on supersonic planes is bad... The aviation industry must be one of the most regulated ones and it's entirely necessary to guarantee the safety of passengers and crew. You don't see anyone complaining about it except Boeing who failed QA in the past couple of years and killed some hundreds of people due to their oversight.

Not to forget anyone below them. Aviation is one of the fields which can affect others in lot more than just immediate surrounding area. I don't live under much of flight path but still dropping planes and even parts of the planes are really not optimal.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by m4xp »

xinayder wrote: post #25
pelorat wrote: post #9

> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

It does, it hinders competition, its really good if you are already enstablished.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by FpUser »

xinayder wrote: post #48
FpUser wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Regulation doesn't hinder innovation" General statement that means zilch. Regulation depending on particular conditions can definitely curtail innovation or destroy it completely. Bureaucracy wants to regulate everything including how often we fart.

As I said, and others pointed out: quality regulations don't curtail innovation. I repeat, if your business model (which like the big majority of the entrepreneurial world is based on) is against regulation, it's wrong. I don't think it's acceptable to have a billionaire tech bro dictating everything I do in my life while he gets rich by selling my data. One of the reasons regulation exists is to protect customers. I…

True Scotsman?

I quoted what you said:

>"Regulation doesn't hinder innovation"

There is no "quality" in there. Try something better

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by bob001 »

xinayder wrote: post #40
bob001 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So most people not wanting to hear sonic booms to benefit a small group of high wealth fliers is bad?

Or having mandatory security checks in place after frequent accidents on supersonic planes is bad... The aviation industry must be one of the most regulated ones and it's entirely necessary to guarantee the safety of passengers and crew. You don't see anyone complaining about it except Boeing who failed QA in the past couple of years and killed some hundreds of people due to their oversight.

It used to be that living next to an airport was hell due to noise even without supersonic jets. Then they regulated noise levels and magically airplane companies started to find ways to mitigate noise levels. Such a coincidence that suddenly innovation just happened then and not ealirer. Who can guess why.

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Post by M95D »

sixtyj wrote: post #55
ArekDymalski wrote: post #30

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> Re. disclosure: How do they want to do it? It seems to be similar to a “disclosure” used in students’ works: “Source: internet”… I think enforcing compliance with the law will be rather simple, just like it happened with GDPR, food labeling and many other regulations. But I wonder how will the disclaimers/declarations even be verified? The more I think about it the more I see open sourced (both dataset and weights)…

Do you think that states have enough skillful ppl to run such a comparison model? I remember European efforts to create search engine, digital library. And a lot of EU-funded projects in Horizon 2000 are useless, just an expensive bureaucracy… GDPR and cookie consent bars are pain in the a* and ux/ui failures. What I mean - intention is good, realisation is often bad. (But I don’t think that rest of world would be be…

realisation is done by individual sites. Instead of not collecting data, they chose banners.

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Post by dev_l1x_be »

MaxMatti wrote: post #20
dev_l1x_be wrote: post #16

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Yes I used it when Confluence had a bug and an account with got stuck and there was no way to delete my account of finish the registration. So I issued a GDPR delete request and re-created the account. tada.wav

I've heard lots of people use it to actually find out what you were being banned for even when the company absolutely does not want to disclose it.

We should create gdprdelights.eu and list of these use cases.
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