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EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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GDPR is more than that. Consent or not, there are things bad actors can do in the USA that in the EU they just can't. Specially to children and vulnerable people. GDPR is an integral part of it. This is a small but significant first step in the right direction. Long way ahead still.

Maybe but it feels like 1 step forward and 2 steps back. It feels like in the end they’re (companies) still getting 99% of what they had before and the user experience of everything is much worse.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

Mistral's already in the gutter, so not much change overall.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Is it really misinformation? The popups may largely be a result of misunderstandings or malicious compliance, but GDPR has a causal relationship regardless of the intent.

When the city writes an ordinance saying chemical factories must have fire alarms I do not blame the city for the fire alarm noise.

I would however blame them if they wrote an ordinance that was widely misunderstood to mean that someone had to knock on my door each day to make sure I knew the local chemical factory had a fire alarm.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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> In practice, for European consumers and businesses, that might mean some of the most advanced AI models launch in the EU a few weeks later than in other markets, as firms ensure they have done their compliance homework.

As models become more capable, this could have serious economic consequences. :(

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory.

Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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It’s insane how that misinformation doesn’t want to die. In 100y we will still have people repeating that we get popup because of gdpr, and nobody will know what a popup or gdpr is

Is it really misinformation? The popups may largely be a result of misunderstandings or malicious compliance, but GDPR has a causal relationship regardless of the intent.

> a result of misunderstandings or malicious compliance, but GDPR has a causal relationship regardless of the intent.

You can extend causality as far as you want if you're willing to sound like this in the open. If there were no cookies, there'd be no banners. There, found you a new target.

So on one side you have decent regulation that tries to balance the interest of the user without over regulating and becoming too prescriptive, and on the other side you have abusers who most of the times are actually in malicious non-compliance... and you find a way to blame the regulation.

Good thing it's in the rules that HN is not Reddit.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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post #24

> In practice, for European consumers and businesses, that might mean some of the most advanced AI models launch in the EU a few weeks later than in other markets, as firms ensure they have done their compliance homework. As models become more capable, this could have serious economic consequences. :(

Seems to be that the compliance homework is exactly the kind of busy work that AI is good at. AI companies could just get AI to do it.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really misinformation? The popups may largely be a result of misunderstandings or malicious compliance, but GDPR has a causal relationship regardless of the intent.

Popups have nothing to do with GDPR. They are reaction to Privacy and Electronic Communications Directive which predates GDPR. And yes, it is deliberate misinformation.

Cookie popups pre-date GRPR, but find it hard to believe the uptick in popups that happened around May 2018 was in response to legislation from 2003.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

This is a bad counterpoint to "more regulation makes business harder". No regulation at all is probably the hardest business environment possible, but too much regulation is bad too.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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> The rulebook sets out rules for all models that lack a specific purpose but can be adapted to a variety of use cases, requiring transparency on how a model was built, disclosure of any copyright-protected content used for training, and enough information for downstream users to understand the model's capabilities. Re. disclosure: How do they want to do it? It seems to be similar to a “disclosure” used in students’…

> Re. disclosure: How do they want to do it? It seems to be similar to a “disclosure” used in students’ works: “Source: internet”…

I think enforcing compliance with the law will be rather simple, just like it happened with GDPR, food labeling and many other regulations. But I wonder how will the disclaimers/declarations even be verified? The more I think about it the more I see open sourced (both dataset and weights) models as the only truly verifiable solution. And that makes it less attractive as a business foundation if. So we might end up with state-funded models working in similar fashion to museums it other culture/art institutions ensuring that original material creators are treated fair. But that will bring whole other set of challenges...

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