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EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
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Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the chemical factory sets themselves on fire every day to set off the fire alarm to annoy me to pressure me into removing the fire alarm law, I still blame them.
I think we should make sure they're not allowed to do that, and actually enforce it.
So... Is your suggestion to ban tracking, marketing, analytics etc. non-essential cookies altogether?
Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remember when HN used to have somewhat informed users? The trite cookie popups have nothing to do with GDPR, this has been repeated ad nauseam...
Well, I am trying to inform myself because I did understand the cookie popups to be connected to GDPR. As far as I can tell from my reading, your assertion that "cookie popups have nothing to do with GDPR" is not true. From my reading, it seems that while cookie permissions first became an explicit EU law concept in a 2009 amendment to ePrivacy Directive (not GDPR), companies were able to get away with passive consen…
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Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#54Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#55> The rulebook sets out rules for all models that lack a specific purpose but can be adapted to a variety of use cases, requiring transparency on how a model was built, disclosure of any copyright-protected content used for training, and enough information for downstream users to understand the model's capabilities. Re. disclosure: How do they want to do it? It seems to be similar to a “disclosure” used in students’…
> Re. disclosure: How do they want to do it? It seems to be similar to a “disclosure” used in students’ works: “Source: internet”… I think enforcing compliance with the law will be rather simple, just like it happened with GDPR, food labeling and many other regulations. But I wonder how will the disclaimers/declarations even be verified? The more I think about it the more I see open sourced (both dataset and weights)…
Do you think that states have enough skillful ppl to run such a comparison model?
I remember European efforts to create search engine, digital library. And a lot of EU-funded projects in Horizon 2000 are useless, just an expensive bureaucracy…
GDPR and cookie consent bars are pain in the a* and ux/ui failures.
What I mean - intention is good, realisation is often bad. (But I don’t think that rest of world would be better btw :)
/end-of-rant
Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remember when HN used to have somewhat informed users? The trite cookie popups have nothing to do with GDPR, this has been repeated ad nauseam...
Well, I am trying to inform myself because I did understand the cookie popups to be connected to GDPR. As far as I can tell from my reading, your assertion that "cookie popups have nothing to do with GDPR" is not true. From my reading, it seems that while cookie permissions first became an explicit EU law concept in a 2009 amendment to ePrivacy Directive (not GDPR), companies were able to get away with passive consen…
> (i.e. popups, banners large enough to push users to interact with them, etc.).
"i.e." doing a lot of work there.
GDPR doesn't require pop-ups or banners for providing consent. It mentions "ticking a box when visiting an internet website" as an example implementation. But it's just there as an example.
https://gdpr.eu/Recital-32-Conditions-for-consent/
the mechanism for gathering consent is an implementation detail left to the site to handle because GDPR applies to far more than websites. i've had to provide consent for things completely unrelated to websites.
you could add a line of text saying "please write us a letter with the following information (user account, blah, blah) if you are willing to provide consent for optional tracking like blah blah" and this is perfectly in line with GDPR.
sure, it's more expensive and you'll get fewer people who you can track. but make no mistake, sites make a decision and choose pop-ups/banners as their implementation for gathering consent because they don't want to lose out. they're happy inflicting pop-ups/banners on their users instead so they can keep their precious tracking cookies going.
i.e. GDPR doesn't require pop-ups/banners, sites choose pop-ups/banners.
Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
So most people not wanting to hear sonic booms to benefit a small group of high wealth fliers is bad?
Perhaps if the industry had been allowed to develop, we'd have some freaky ass new and innovative tech that would've abated the problem. The world may never know!
So basically "if they were only allowed to cause harm then maybe maybe one day they might have found a way to on their own for no profit stop doing that harm"? Yeah, no thank you. Also, all of corporate history shows that without a government or public pushback "will stop doing harm" never happens.
Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#58> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.
Also going to have to compete against SOTA AI augmented American companies. Which likely means using Chinese models. Thank god Xi Jinpeng has the best interests of Europe at heart...
Just like Putin had Europe's best interest in mind regarding natural gas. At this point it's not a question of if Europe will become a puppet state but whose puppet state.
Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we should make sure they're not allowed to do that, and actually enforce it.
So... Is your suggestion to ban tracking, marketing, analytics etc. non-essential cookies altogether?
That'd be nice, but we could stop short of that and just ban anything that seems coercive (which iiuc is already the case, it's just not enforced effectively).
Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?
#60> The rulebook sets out rules for all models that lack a specific purpose but can be adapted to a variety of use cases, requiring transparency on how a model was built, disclosure of any copyright-protected content used for training, and enough information for downstream users to understand the model's capabilities. Re. disclosure: How do they want to do it? It seems to be similar to a “disclosure” used in students’…
Seems quite sensible - good to see an institution woth some weight finally enforcing such basic principles that should have been universal - but money is of course more important for AI companies, making such regulation necessary.