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Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by Retr0id »

buran77 wrote: post #26
Retr0id wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really misinformation? The popups may largely be a result of misunderstandings or malicious compliance, but GDPR has a causal relationship regardless of the intent.

> a result of misunderstandings or malicious compliance, but GDPR has a causal relationship regardless of the intent. You can extend causality as far as you want if you're willing to sound like this in the open. If there were no cookies, there'd be no banners. There, found you a new target. So on one side you have decent regulation that tries to balance the interest of the user without over regulating and becoming to…

If you think I'm opposed to GRPR, you are mistaken.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by nozzlegear »

xinayder wrote: post #25
pelorat wrote: post #9

> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

Too much regulation completely crippled the supersonic commercial flight industry.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by Frannky »

pelorat wrote: post #9

> EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change? I can answer that. A higher regulatory overhead that means less money for R&D and decreased profit margins for companies here in the EU. That's what's going to happen.

Fortunately one can leave and live elsewhere...

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by buran77 »

Retr0id wrote: post #23
inigyou wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the city writes an ordinance saying chemical factories must have fire alarms I do not blame the city for the fire alarm noise.

I would however blame them if they wrote an ordinance that was widely misunderstood to mean that someone had to knock on my door each day to make sure I knew the local chemical factory had a fire alarm.

> widely misunderstood

Moments ago it was "misunderstandings or malicious compliance". Did you misplace one on your apologetic quest?

I'm really trying not to assume the worst about you. Is there any reason you insist so much on giving the benefit of the doubt to every law breaker out there? Especially when we're sometimes talking about very deep pockets who can afford lawyers?

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by bob001 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #32
xinayder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

Too much regulation completely crippled the supersonic commercial flight industry.

So most people not wanting to hear sonic booms to benefit a small group of high wealth fliers is bad?

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by jshmrsn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #5
kamma4434 wrote: post #2

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Remember when HN used to have somewhat informed users? The trite cookie popups have nothing to do with GDPR, this has been repeated ad nauseam...

Well, I am trying to inform myself because I did understand the cookie popups to be connected to GDPR. As far as I can tell from my reading, your assertion that "cookie popups have nothing to do with GDPR" is not true.

From my reading, it seems that while cookie permissions first became an explicit EU law concept in a 2009 amendment to ePrivacy Directive (not GDPR), companies were able to get away with passive consent banners (not popups).

It was GDPR's new definition of consent which then retroactively strengthened the existing ePrivacy Directive cookie consent to explicitly require user action to give consent (i.e. popups, banners large enough to push users to interact with them, etc.).

Unless your point is that GDPR has nothing to do with popups because the companies could just not use non-strictly-necessary cookies and therefore not need a popup, but I think that's a stretch to jump from there to "nothing to do with GDPR".

https://gdpr.eu/cookies/

https://wp-gdpr.eu/gdpr-cookie-consent-2026/

https://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2022/01/consent-and-cooki...

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by inigyou »

Retr0id wrote: post #23
inigyou wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the city writes an ordinance saying chemical factories must have fire alarms I do not blame the city for the fire alarm noise.

I would however blame them if they wrote an ordinance that was widely misunderstood to mean that someone had to knock on my door each day to make sure I knew the local chemical factory had a fire alarm.

If the chemical factory sets themselves on fire every day to set off the fire alarm to annoy me to pressure me into removing the fire alarm law, I still blame them.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by jmward01 »

BobbyJo wrote: post #29
xinayder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your sole business model depends on having no regulation then your business model is wrong and predatory. Regulation doesn't hinder innovation, it's just that CEOs want that quick buck instead of being responsible and using regulation for their advantage.

This is a bad counterpoint to "more regulation makes business harder". No regulation at all is probably the hardest business environment possible, but too much regulation is bad too.

Quantity of regulation isn't the point. It is quality. The right regulations are the right regulations. They mitigate risks and can encourage innovation. 'too much/too little' arguments are almost universally wrong.

Re: EU rules on AI models become enforceable. What's going to change?

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Post by xinayder »

bob001 wrote: post #36
nozzlegear wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too much regulation completely crippled the supersonic commercial flight industry.

So most people not wanting to hear sonic booms to benefit a small group of high wealth fliers is bad?

Or having mandatory security checks in place after frequent accidents on supersonic planes is bad...

The aviation industry must be one of the most regulated ones and it's entirely necessary to guarantee the safety of passengers and crew. You don't see anyone complaining about it except Boeing who failed QA in the past couple of years and killed some hundreds of people due to their oversight.

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