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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Yes, but Norway is a very rich country because of all the resources they can just extract from the ground. Australia.. wait, never mind.

In fairness Norway does have ludicrous levels of hydro per capita which makes electricity very cheap.

Although I guess now Australia has ludicrous levels of solar per capita - they're famously launching 3 hours/day of free electricity to try to soak it all up.

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Best charging experience and best software experience. Note: I do not want this to be true. Other companies please copy what Tesla has done with both of these. You’ve had years to do this and failed.

The best charging experience would be any of 10 BYD models with flash charging. 10% to 70%: 5 minutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Flash_Charging

Pushing electrons around quickly is only part of the charging experience.

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Nothing you wrote there makes sense, there is just no chain of causality in it.

Can you explain further? I’d be happy to see some of my specific ideas challenged.

The whole economic landscape of the us is artifical. As in what survives and thrives does not need to provide any value, but need only have political connections, to remove competition and be good enough to supress all alternatives.

The oil and gas industry survives and dictates policy not because its very influential- its simply the economic backbone of the empire via the petrodollar. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar

And the people life in de-concentrated large scale villages instead of cities, because the empire is in no need to tax economic activities such as moving large distances via driving a car efficiently. So the government, cursed with the ressource curse of beeing able to sell security outside of the us- pacifies the population with economic presents, which are often just frozzen in time retro trinkets.

One can not derive any political and economic lessons from such a strange diorama.

There is no incentive

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China. The products aren’t “done.” They’re stagnant. Where is their proper 3 row SUV, not a hacked together half-effort like the YL? Where is their passenger premium van product for China? Remember that this is a company with a huge factory and presence in China, and they were the first mover in that market, but they’re getting eaten alive by co…

> Tesla is faltering so badly in China.

Huh? In June the best selling EV in China is Model Y across all price ranges. Model 3 a tie for the 8th with many ~$10k entry level higher up. If you only rank among ~$40k, then it's a tie for the 4th.

This is very very far from faltering so badly.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Yes, I would blame the buyer for thinking it's important at this point. It's almost a meme response to EVs. All you need to do is an honest look at how many days a year you drive 500+ miles per day. People can't seem to do that and fixate on the ultra long distance road trip that they might make once per year. And neglecting to realize that they stop for bathroom breaks and food and so the actual time you're simply w…

No. You are presupposing a particular usage of a car and imposing that on a potential buyer. I take the train or bike to work, so for me my car is only for weekend trips. That’s why I bought the fastest-charging car available at that time. Even for road trips there are different ways to approach it. Some people just want to get to their destination fast and don’t mind eating at wherever the charger is. Others take ro…

That's how designing products works. There are particular use cases one designs for. My point is that by far the most common use case I'd daily driving, and very few people would be majorly and continually inconvenienced by charging 200 miles in 15 minutes.

Even if your use case is "only take the car on 500 mile road trips and I don't want to stop for 15 minutes", you should be able to understand how exceedingly rate that is.

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US automakers are already unable to compete globally even within the ever shrinking ICE share. Protectionism makes industries weak and uncompetitive, ultimately hurting the economy of the nation doing the protectionism. The proper strategy to become competitive is to provide a small amount of protectionism so that the industry does not die, but to ruthlessly cull underperforming companies so that only the strongest s…

The rot is that a empire selling security can subsidize any economic policy indefinitely and is completely decoupled from anything resembling a free market forever.

I would quibble with the "forever" there. Eventually empires have bad leaders, and Trump is showing how a bad leader can disassemble an economic empire in just a few short years. One can do tremendous damage from the inside, especially when the populace has been cowed by broad misinformation and the checks and balances have been removed by single party rule.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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No. You are presupposing a particular usage of a car and imposing that on a potential buyer. I take the train or bike to work, so for me my car is only for weekend trips. That’s why I bought the fastest-charging car available at that time. Even for road trips there are different ways to approach it. Some people just want to get to their destination fast and don’t mind eating at wherever the charger is. Others take ro…

That's how designing products works. There are particular use cases one designs for. My point is that by far the most common use case I'd daily driving, and very few people would be majorly and continually inconvenienced by charging 200 miles in 15 minutes. Even if your use case is "only take the car on 500 mile road trips and I don't want to stop for 15 minutes", you should be able to understand how exceedingly rate…

That’s how the modern way of designing products works. 90% of use cases is enough. YAGNI. The R&D needed for the last 10% is not worth its marginal return. There is no ambition, no perfectionism, no maniac attention to detail any more.

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I’d guess a greater percent of car owners in the US are working class. A lot of cities car modal share is like 85% or higher which shows how much car ownership is democratized in the US compared to asia or eu, where ownership might be higher relative income and more able to afford new ev premium prices vs cheap used gas cars.

Another interpretation of the high modal share of cars in the US is that there are no viable alternatives to driving in many US cities. In Europe, public transport and biking are viable forms of transportation, so we're not forced into car ownership to participate in society (although the situation can definitely still be improved further). I believe this to be a more "democraticed" outcome than an inescapable 85% mo…

There are people in those cities that don’t have cars and might rely on bussing, biking, sourcing rides from others. That being said you can get cheap cars in the US really easily.

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So you forget to plug in one night and are screwed for work the next day it sounds like

You are probably never starting from zero on workdays, are you?

Depends if you did something after work the day before

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Not really. The average person in America drives about 37 miles a day. EVs gain about 3-5 miles per hour on a household 120V charger. You sleep for about 8 hours and are probably home away from work and errands for an about 12 hours. Do the math: 3 miles per hour for 12 hours is 36 miles. And even if you don’t keep up with your pace, the weekend can act as additional time to charge. Or if you drive more on the weeken…

So you forget to plug in one night and are screwed for work the next day it sounds like

It's worked for me for about 10 years. Maybe don't forget if it's so critical that you get to work the next day. Sounds like you have a skill issue
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