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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by pinkyboy »

decimalenough wrote: post #54
pinkyboy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charging experience? Teslas can't charge as fast as a modern Kia, Lucid, Geely, or BYD. They can't two-gun charge like a BYD. They don't have battery-swaps like NIO. They've got a single charge port in a back corner... very unclear what's best about them. And as for software, on the infotainment side, AA/CP are great (but not available on Tesla), and people often like having _some_ physical controls, which goes again…

Tesla wins on charging because Superchargers are ubiquitous and they just work: you can pull up to one and be pretty much guaranteed that you'll be able to charge. This is manifestly not the case for any of the competition.

Pretty much every EV can use Superchargers.

I'm setting aside that charging off of public EVs is relatively rare anyway... but your premise is flawed.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

Grombobulous wrote: post #32

The US auto industry under its pro-oil policy incentives is in for a disastrous long-term outlook in exchange for short-term prosperity. At best, it’ll be a situation where the US market is segregated from the rest of the world: US auto consumers will be buying inferior vehicles from the rest of world that are more expensive to buy and own, since they will only be viable in the US market and will only be built in the…

Nothing you wrote there makes sense, there is just no chain of causality in it.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by hedgehog »

spapas82 wrote: post #55

Well one interesting thing is that if you want to buy a Toyota Yaris right now in Europe (specifically in Greece) the only options offered are hybrid. One with 116 hp and one with 136 hp. No petrol, no diesel. And only automatic transmission (a no no for me but that another discussion). Now considering that Yaris is one of the most popular cars (if not the most popular), the increase in sales is not surprising

They Toyota hybrids are still gasoline, what's the objection to the eCVT? So long as we're still using combustion engines it seems like the best design anyone's come up with.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

asdff wrote: post #58
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I can’t own one because I can’t install a fast charger at my place.

Most people don’t need a fast charger to own an EV. Most people would actually be just fine on a household outlet.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by aetherspawn »

asdff wrote: post #58
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I can’t own one because I can’t install a fast charger at my place.

Yeah this is the kind of thing people say on a day to day basis.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

cineticdaffodil wrote: post #62
Grombobulous wrote: post #32

The US auto industry under its pro-oil policy incentives is in for a disastrous long-term outlook in exchange for short-term prosperity. At best, it’ll be a situation where the US market is segregated from the rest of the world: US auto consumers will be buying inferior vehicles from the rest of world that are more expensive to buy and own, since they will only be viable in the US market and will only be built in the…

Nothing you wrote there makes sense, there is just no chain of causality in it.

Can you explain further? I’d be happy to see some of my specific ideas challenged.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by fugalfervor »

cineticdaffodil wrote: post #62
Grombobulous wrote: post #32

The US auto industry under its pro-oil policy incentives is in for a disastrous long-term outlook in exchange for short-term prosperity. At best, it’ll be a situation where the US market is segregated from the rest of the world: US auto consumers will be buying inferior vehicles from the rest of world that are more expensive to buy and own, since they will only be viable in the US market and will only be built in the…

Nothing you wrote there makes sense, there is just no chain of causality in it.

You didn't take the time to point out what was wrong with what they said, and why. So please do so if you don't want people to just ignore your comment.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

epistasis wrote: post #46
Grombobulous wrote: post #32

The US auto industry under its pro-oil policy incentives is in for a disastrous long-term outlook in exchange for short-term prosperity. At best, it’ll be a situation where the US market is segregated from the rest of the world: US auto consumers will be buying inferior vehicles from the rest of world that are more expensive to buy and own, since they will only be viable in the US market and will only be built in the…

US automakers are already unable to compete globally even within the ever shrinking ICE share. Protectionism makes industries weak and uncompetitive, ultimately hurting the economy of the nation doing the protectionism. The proper strategy to become competitive is to provide a small amount of protectionism so that the industry does not die, but to ruthlessly cull underperforming companies so that only the strongest s…

The rot is that a empire selling security can subsidize any economic policy indefinitely and is completely decoupled from anything resembling a free market forever.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by testing22321 »

Grombobulous wrote: post #32

The US auto industry under its pro-oil policy incentives is in for a disastrous long-term outlook in exchange for short-term prosperity. At best, it’ll be a situation where the US market is segregated from the rest of the world: US auto consumers will be buying inferior vehicles from the rest of world that are more expensive to buy and own, since they will only be viable in the US market and will only be built in the…

And Canadians will soon stop buying the inferior US vehicles (and Mexico already has), because Chinese EVs are now allowed in at only 6% tariff.

BYD are taking over.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by emil-lp »

bashtoni wrote: post #13

Nearly 50% of vehicles sold in Australia in the last quarter were EVs or plug-in hybrids: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-02/electric-vehicle-ev-s...

A record for EV sales in Norway was set in 2025: 95.9 percent of all new passenger cars sold were fully electric, up from 88.9 percent in 2024.
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