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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by tialaramex »

medler wrote: post #83
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I’m convinced super-fast charging will be a game changer, because it will eliminate the ~only remaining downside to EVs. If Tesla had charging tech like BYD the market in the U.S. would look very different

I don't buy it. "Recharging == Fuel" is the wrong way to think about it.

Think about your phone. Do you plan how you'll charge that quickly? Do you know where you can get a quick charge at a local mall while ordering coffee? Nope, it just gets charged over night when you're asleep, no problem.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by belorn »

reverius42 wrote: post #73
asdff wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t own one because I can’t install a fast charger at my place.

I don't have a gas station at my house, and yet I still own a gas-powered vehicle. I also don't have a fast electric charger at my house, and yet I still also own an EV.

I have compared prices in fast-charging stations to gasoline here in Sweden, and a gasoline car get more miles for the money. The price can be up to 100x, or 10000% that of the market price that the fast-charging stations buy their electricity from.

And even with that, very few places seems to be willing to build competing charging stations that will undercut those prices. The only way to actually save money is to have a charging stations at home or at work where you pay the normal (through still very high) cost that the utility company take.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

ben_w wrote: post #74
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

Not everyone wants the same thing from a car. Some care most about the price, some about the efficiency, some about the size, some about the comfort, some about the charging speed despite what you say. If Telsa were still innovating, they'd have rounded out their offerings to fill in the gaps that are now getting filled with other brands in the world outside the USA.

I keep shouting from the rooftops that Tesla’s lack of offerings has them completely hamstrung.

Tesla sells more vehicles than Mazda, and both brands are in a similar semi-premium non-luxury segment. Compare lineups between these brands.

How does Mazda have 3.5 SUVs and Tesla only has 1.5? (The .5 is counting the CX-70 and CX-90, and the Y and YL as essentially the same car)

Mazda is able to offer a sedan and hatchback variant of the 3.

They also have a city car in Europe, the Mazda 2. Absolutely nothing in the segment from Tesla.

And of course, Mazda has the legendary MX-5, which chugs along selling a very respectable quantity while the Tesla Roadster remains MIA.

Where is Tesla’s lineup? For being a being China-focused brand, where is their premium/luxury van? For being a US-focused brand, where is their family 3-row Grand Highlander killer? How did they botch a truck made in Texas?

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by reverius42 »

belorn wrote: post #92
reverius42 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a gas station at my house, and yet I still own a gas-powered vehicle. I also don't have a fast electric charger at my house, and yet I still also own an EV.

I have compared prices in fast-charging stations to gasoline here in Sweden, and a gasoline car get more miles for the money. The price can be up to 100x, or 10000% that of the market price that the fast-charging stations buy their electricity from. And even with that, very few places seems to be willing to build competing charging stations that will undercut those prices. The only way to actually save money is to ha…

I have found fast-charging prices near where I live to be fairly competitive with gasoline per-mile. The lower maintenance costs of an EV are icing on the cake, so to speak.

But I actually do most of my charging as trickle-charging from a regular home outlet, despite it being slow; it adds about 40 miles of range per 24 hours of charging. My car sits in my driveway most of the time so that's actually sufficient most of the time.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by bashtoni »

emil-lp wrote: post #70
bashtoni wrote: post #13

Nearly 50% of vehicles sold in Australia in the last quarter were EVs or plug-in hybrids: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-02/electric-vehicle-ev-s...

A record for EV sales in Norway was set in 2025: 95.9 percent of all new passenger cars sold were fully electric, up from 88.9 percent in 2024.

Yes, but Norway is a very rich country because of all the resources they can just extract from the ground. Australia.. wait, never mind.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Rohansi »

pinkyboy wrote: post #59
Rohansi wrote: post #51

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> Charging experience? They have a very reliable charging network with excellent coverage. You just plug your car in and it charges. No fiddling with the charger or apps. > And as for software, on the infotainment side, AA/CP are great (but not available on Tesla) The infotainment is good enough where you don't need AA/CP but that's a very subjective detail. The software also extends outside of your car because you c…

And you can plug almost any modern EV into the Tesla supercharging network without issue. However, unlike Teslas, you can _also_ plug and charge them in other networks. On self-driving: if you want true autonomy, where you can relax and do something else entirely while you drive, the answers are Waymo, Apollo Go, and to a lesser extent: rideshare. Every other system requires that you sit in the driver's seat, pay att…

> Which means that ongoing improvements don't actually buy you much of anything, because having to handle an exception every 50 miles isn't a better experience than having to handle one very 5 miles.

That's what I thought too but after trying FSD on HW4 for two months I really think they are almost there. HW3 was really bad but I didn't need to intervene once with HW4. I think their biggest hurdle will be more of a legal or insurance one when they need to shift liability to actually stop saying it needs supervision.

> the answers are Waymo, Apollo Go

Both of which are supervised too, but remotely, and not constantly. There's no reason why Tesla can't do the same - they probably do for Robotaxis now - as soon as the exception rate is low enough, why not?

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by medler »

tialaramex wrote: post #91
medler wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m convinced super-fast charging will be a game changer, because it will eliminate the ~only remaining downside to EVs. If Tesla had charging tech like BYD the market in the U.S. would look very different

I don't buy it. "Recharging == Fuel" is the wrong way to think about it. Think about your phone. Do you plan how you'll charge that quickly? Do you know where you can get a quick charge at a local mall while ordering coffee? Nope, it just gets charged over night when you're asleep, no problem.

I agree charging at home/work is best, and ideally we would have ubiquitous slow charging at apartment lots, workplaces, and on the street. But that’s not really realistic right now in the U.S., and more importantly, it isn’t under Tesla’s control. Whereas they could have solved the problem for people with less charging access by making their fast charging faster like BYD has done.

With respect to your phone analogy, if I weren’t able to charge my phone at home or at work, I would definitely be interested in being able to fast-charge it at some conveniently located business

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by tialaramex »

aetherspawn wrote: post #45
bashtoni wrote: post #13

Nearly 50% of vehicles sold in Australia in the last quarter were EVs or plug-in hybrids: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-02/electric-vehicle-ev-s...

Sweet free free sunshine down here.

Right. Australia is crazy sunny. You might intuitively expect there'd be more PV power closer to the equator but that's not how it works, Australia just doesn't have as much cloud as almost anywhere on Earth, especially places a bunch of people actually live - and so that's a lot more energy ("insolation") from the sun ready to harvest.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by plqbfbv »

Grombobulous wrote: post #84
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China. The products aren’t “done.” They’re stagnant. Where is their proper 3 row SUV, not a hacked together half-effort like the YL? Where is their passenger premium van product for China? Remember that this is a company with a huge factory and presence in China, and they were the first mover in that market, but they’re getting eaten alive by co…

> I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China.

Apparently not so much, the restyle and a consolidated assistance and charging network make people prefer it over the homemade products lately, which keep innovating but you essentially need to re-learn from scratch every time (my original source article is in Italian - https://www.vaielettrico.it/troppa-scelta-poca-fiducia-i-cin... ; this is the closest I could find in English: https://paultan.org/2026/01/21/tesla-model-y-again-best-sell... )

> They’re stagnant.

To some degree, I agree. Esp. on the 800V part which could make charges a bit faster. But I think they're overall stagnant: they pushed a ton of boundaries in the first 10-15y because they had to make something people could buy and use, but now that innovation push has diminished greatly: the cars work for most people, and the range is acceptable and not such a big inconvenience that pushes people to other brands. So no sense in going axial flux motors (that everyone is experimenting with) or bigger battery capacities, or even 48V + Ethernet instead of 12V + CANbus (the CyberTruck has these, but I don't think it has trickled down to the other models).

> Meanwhile, in Europe, the Volkswagen Group is outselling Tesla in EVs. The #1 EV in Europe is a Skoda, and on top of that Tesla doesn’t make a European style city car. Small sedans like the Model 3 are really not popular in Europe, you need a hatch.

Yes, but the Model Y remains the single unique best-selling car. VW needs to put together a few vehicle models to get to the same numbers. And I think the reason is the same as with China: Tesla has always been EV only, and built assistance and infrastructure for it, while VW doesn't have a very clear direction and makes products which are perhaps slightly mechanically superior, but feel inferior on the software and UX side. A car with hardware equivalent to Tesla (which now has 2 trims and 2 battery picks) costs anyway more than the base Tesla (you need to add a few optionals to the VWs). What Tesla is lacking in Europe are smaller models with ~450-500km range.

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