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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by kcb »

pinkyboy wrote: post #59
Rohansi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Charging experience? They have a very reliable charging network with excellent coverage. You just plug your car in and it charges. No fiddling with the charger or apps. > And as for software, on the infotainment side, AA/CP are great (but not available on Tesla) The infotainment is good enough where you don't need AA/CP but that's a very subjective detail. The software also extends outside of your car because you c…

And you can plug almost any modern EV into the Tesla supercharging network without issue. However, unlike Teslas, you can _also_ plug and charge them in other networks. On self-driving: if you want true autonomy, where you can relax and do something else entirely while you drive, the answers are Waymo, Apollo Go, and to a lesser extent: rideshare. Every other system requires that you sit in the driver's seat, pay att…

> However, unlike Teslas, you can _also_ plug and charge them in other networks.

why?

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Panino »

coliveira wrote: post #47
slaw wrote: post #36

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The best charging experience would be any of 10 BYD models with flash charging. 10% to 70%: 5 minutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Flash_Charging

Yes, but Americans don't have the freedom to experience this. They have to choose between expensive and more expensive.

Capitalism With American Characteristics

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by medler »

aetherspawn wrote: post #49
jfengel wrote: post #42

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It is remarkable that a US company had an enormous lead in BEVs for a decade. Then they just kinda stopped innovating, and slid backwards.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I’m convinced super-fast charging will be a game changer, because it will eliminate the ~only remaining downside to EVs. If Tesla had charging tech like BYD the market in the U.S. would look very different

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

aetherspawn wrote: post #49
jfengel wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is remarkable that a US company had an enormous lead in BEVs for a decade. Then they just kinda stopped innovating, and slid backwards.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China.

The products aren’t “done.” They’re stagnant.

Where is their proper 3 row SUV, not a hacked together half-effort like the YL?

Where is their passenger premium van product for China?

Remember that this is a company with a huge factory and presence in China, and they were the first mover in that market, but they’re getting eaten alive by competitors.

Meanwhile, in Europe, the Volkswagen Group is outselling Tesla in EVs. The #1 EV in Europe is a Skoda, and on top of that Tesla doesn’t make a European style city car. Small sedans like the Model 3 are really not popular in Europe, you need a hatch.

And I haven’t even brought up the Cybertruck selling a couple hundred thousand units below company expectations, that is kind of a low blow cherry on top.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by medler »

asdff wrote: post #76
Grombobulous wrote: post #64

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Most people don’t need a fast charger to own an EV. Most people would actually be just fine on a household outlet.

Sounds terrible if that is your only car.

What is terrible about charging at home from a regular outlet? As long as you average <50-60 miles a day, like most people, you basically never have to go to fast chargers (or gas stations). It’s amazing.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by SoftTalker »

nickez wrote: post #43
kevinqi wrote: post #31

does anyone have a data-backed reason as to why US market share has capped out around 10%? is it economics + lack of access to chinese EVs? range anxiety?

probably gas price

And range/charging infrastructure. The middle of the US is large and mostly rural. There's no charging infrastructure to speak of. But even the smallest towns at least have a gas station.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by kawogi »

While I'm waiting for my Kia EV3 to arrive, I'm desparately trying to figure out which wallbox I need to buy to make use of V2H/V2G. Everything claims to be "ready", but I still don't know whether V2H/V2L will be DC or AC. Which protocol do my smart meters have to provide? What about the PV-inverter? How many apps will I need? How many cloud accounts? What about island-operation? Will I be able to use Home-Assistant for everything? What about feeding in the flexible pricing of my power provider? Another App/API? Which node in this hairball will have which role? Will the car decide when to charge? Or the App? Or the Wallbox? Or its App?

I'm drowning in theoretical options and I'm left with the feeling that everything seems to be possible in theory, but I won't find a solution that works in practice. There are just too many protocols and regulations at play.

Would have loved to wait another year until the dust around these topics have settled a bit, but the old car broke too early :( (sorry for the rant)

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

kccqzy wrote: post #79
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are getting five-minute charging times. If you think that’s a straw man I don’t know what to say; a buyer wants charging to be as fast as pumping gas, and are you going to blame buyer stupidity for not delivering on that?

China is even doing 90 second automated robotic battery swap stations.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by bloomingeek »

jfengel wrote: post #48
kevinqi wrote: post #31

does anyone have a data-backed reason as to why US market share has capped out around 10%? is it economics + lack of access to chinese EVs? range anxiety?

We have just about the cheapest gasoline in the developed world. Partly because we make it here, and partly because we refuse to raise taxes on it. (The federal tax was last raised in 1993. It has be 18 cents per gallon ever since.) If gas were 2 to 4 times as expensive, as it is in much of Europe, there would be a lot more demand for electric cars. It doesn't help that we exclude all of the new BEVs from China, whic…

And there it is, we're keeping competition out of the states to protect our auto industry, instead of giving we consumers other options. I've rented cars in Aus/New Zealand, if I lived there I'd own an EV, hands down.

The only way to make our auto makers change is to "make" them change by competition. Consumers want this change, why else do we buy so many Japanese cars? (Beside the fact they are superior.)

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

asdff wrote: post #76
Grombobulous wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don’t need a fast charger to own an EV. Most people would actually be just fine on a household outlet.

Sounds terrible if that is your only car.

Not really.

The average person in America drives about 37 miles a day.

EVs gain about 3-5 miles per hour on a household 120V charger.

You sleep for about 8 hours and are probably home away from work and errands for an about 12 hours.

Do the math: 3 miles per hour for 12 hours is 36 miles.

And even if you don’t keep up with your pace, the weekend can act as additional time to charge. Or if you drive more on the weekend, you can basically decide that you’re going to go to a fast charger every 2-4 weeks just like a gas car (or maybe even less frequently than a gas car).

Let’s say you drive 50 miles a day but you’re only able to charge up 35 miles per day at home. If your vehicle’s range is 250 miles that means you need to go to a fast charger every 15 days including a little room for reserve power.

Also, all of this is even less of a concern if you live in a country with 240V power.

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