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A big win for Android interoperability

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Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by notpushkin »

inigyou wrote: post #70
shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

You are free to reverse engineer the whole system and find a way to make it work. The world will love you. I suspect there will be a Google hardware attestation at the core of it, but understanding how it works is still huge progress.

There’s been some progress over at microG, however not fully reverse engineered obviously, and I wouldn’t hold my hopes up for now: https://github.com/microg/GmsCore/issues/361

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by notpushkin »

wffurr wrote: post #74
shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

A phone case with your NFC credit card in a pocket on the back. Boom, problem solved.

This is a great solution if you have the physical card. One very nice use case of Google/Apple Pay is being able to pay with a virtual card in-person.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by notpushkin »

inigyou wrote: post #73
_ZeD_ wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like the EU digital wallet

You're free to try and make something like that.

They are making something like that as we speak. I’m not sure why though, they’ve had free SEPA Instant transfers for ages now.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by notpushkin »

inigyou wrote: post #104
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #71

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so what you're saying is we should be looking at competitors of Visa

MasterCard has the exact same issue.

Yep, the duopoly is pretty strong. There are national card networks (which sometimes make their own tap-to-pay apps!), but if you want universal acceptance you’ve got to deal with the big two.

You can sidestep this however by not dealing with cards. I’d look into various QR payment schemes.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by close04 »

giantg2 wrote: post #103
microtonal wrote: post #68

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People use alternatives for many different reasons (or multiple at the same time): - They might want privacy from Google. Using Google Pay probably doesn't make much sense. - Security protection against Google. Google can remotely brick devices with unsandboxed Play Services. After blocking of ICC officials and all the Greenland threats, it's not odd that some European citizens would like to block this Google/US gove…

Is this an AI response? I get why people want a de-googled phone. What I don't get is why they would want to use tap to pay, one of the payment methods with increased attack vectors.

> Is this an AI response?

Probably not but you’re doing a bad job explaining what wanting to de-google your phone has to do with the choice of wireless payment methods.

It’s in the name, “de-googling”, not “de-attack-vectoring”. People want to break away from Google specifically. They’ll still use tap to pay because it’s convenient, secure enough, at least as private as any card/bank payment, and ideally not Google, which was what people de-googling want.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by realusername »

giantg2 wrote: post #50
shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

Why would anyone who cares enough about security/privacy to run a de-googled phone want to use a tap to pay app?

Because tap to pay has nothing to do with Google?

Some people just want a phone without the duopoly and nothing else.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by inigyou »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #134
inigyou wrote: post #98

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I literally just told you why.

"China has top-down economic control that can direct good things to be made." so European Union didn't exist ??? this is literally just an excuse

The European Union doesn't top-down control the economy of Europe...

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by aatd86 »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #139
aatd86 wrote: post #132

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I said bootleg Android didnt I? Are Android phones using mods or a complete revamped version?

"Bootleg" is a meaningless word in this context, so I ignored it. You can't "bootleg" an open-source product; you can only branch it, which is completely legitimate.

So pedantic, you must be fun at parties. Or maybe are you arguing for the sake of arguing? Fake Android if it suits you better.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by gruez »

inigyou wrote: post #130
gruez wrote: post #121

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>that pay Google license fees Source? I thought it was free for OEMs?

I think there's a fee and also a long list of requirements - such as you must not sell any phone without Google Play Store.

>I think there's a fee

Seems to be only in the EU (because they're being forced to), and some other sources say google is offsetting the fee through revenue sharing back to the OEMs. In any case the original claim of "the purpose of remote attestation is to force people to buy devices that pay Google license fees" is questionable given that google had to be forced into charging money for it.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/19/17999366/google-eu-andro...

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by chupasaurus »

microtonal wrote: post #108
giantg2 wrote: post #103

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Is this an AI response? I get why people want a de-googled phone. What I don't get is why they would want to use tap to pay, one of the payment methods with increased attack vectors.

Is this an AI response? No. I hate AI writing, so I never use AI for writing. Randomly throwing in accusations in discussions sucks. I don't think my comment had any of the hallmarks of AI writing either, unless bulleted lists are also not-done these days. I guess I should be happy that people don't recognize me as a non-native speaker anymore?

Nah, some people are just having too much !fun! witch-hunting.
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