Does this apply to Apple to have something separate to Siri in iOS?
It sounds reasonable to apply the same logic to all vendors with similar market power, though. Perhaps this opens the door for an accelerated procedure against Apple as well
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Does this apply to Apple to have something separate to Siri in iOS?
It sounds reasonable to apply the same logic to all vendors with similar market power, though. Perhaps this opens the door for an accelerated procedure against Apple as well
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Because it’s convenient?
I agree, it's very convenient to have a phone full of corporate malware. But I thought the point of GrapheneOS was to escape that. My corporate malware only runs on my secure card processor which sits in a pocket glued to my phone.
The only reason why we don’t have them is Google / Apple duopoly.
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What prevents this? I always assumed they could.
Bootloaders are locked and most of them are unlockable.
Hopefully the hardware vendor GrapheneOS is working with can add a second product line to the list.
This is all smoke and mirrors. The core issue is not "Google not allowing a feature", it's that small businesses cannot buy phones, install a patched version of Android without a restriction and sell them to make money. Until this problem is solved, everything else is palliative.
When it comes to running patched operating systems, Google's phones are pretty much the only ones that provide a decent option for running secure and user-controlled firmware. It's every other vendor, from Apple to Xiaomi, that's preventing people from doing so.
That said, there are a few companies out there that will happily put your brand and your firmware on their hardware. That's how the Trump Phone was made, the biggest example of this practice in the west. Other utility brands have been releasing cheap crap branded phones for years (like the Gigaset smartphone). You'll need money upfront and a decent minimum order quantity, but getting phones with firmware you control straight from the factory is still an option.
Obviously the Google Play features being available only to Google are a problem, and it's good that the EU is forcing Google to cut the crap, but Google's restrictions aren't the reason companies aren't running custom ROMs. It's pretty much everyone but Google that's at fault for that, from vendors restricting user freedom to app developers restricting their apps to Google Play certified devices only.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/10/trump-... DMCA and other anti-circumvention regulations.
That was a good read. But I still thought anyone can take graphene os and put it in a phone and sell it? Maybe there is specific licensing restrictions in the android license that stop this.
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I don't think the upcoming Motorola phones will change this by themselves. As far as I understand, Motorola will not directly sell GrapheneOS phones. They will make phones that fulfill the hardware requirements and work with the GrapheneOS team to make the firmware available, etc. It will still be up to the user to install GrapheneOS. That has benefits - you do not have to trust Motorola not to ship stuff that you wo…
> Getting the EU to ban Play Integrity Unlikely to happen, it's just not how they operate. Instead they will create a government registry where any legal entity can register their integrity attestation keys, with oversight by a bureaucracy in a process that takes 6 months and €100,000. Apps will be required to use the registry but still allowed to block attestations they don't like, and any attestation key that leaks…
That wouldn't be great, but at the same time an improvement over the current situation.
attestation key that leaks into open circulation (such as FOSS) will be blacklisted in the registry because it no longer attests anything
Which makes sense if remote attestation is what you want.
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Indeed. This ruling seems to be targeted at AI specifically. It is a great ruling, because it allows proper competition of other assistants with Google's (and Bixby). However, IMO the bigger evil is all the anti-competitive stuff that make it impossible for competitors to Android/iOS to enter the market, including European products like SailfishOS, such as remote attestation and the things that flow from it (e.g. no…
Phone-tap-to-pay is not a real blocker. In fact I think it should be illegal for all vendors. Just use your physical plastic card. Stick it on the back of your phone if you like.
(Yes, I know banking apps can have their own tap-to-pay implementation on Android, but they all standardized on Google Pay because it's less work for them.)
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The US has both infinite money for the rich and strong wealth inequality - both carrot and stick. I don't think it's a good way to live though. China also has unlimited money and top-down economic control that can direct good things to be made. Europe has neither. It has people with stable lives they don't want to mess up, and it has limited money, most of which is claimed by its existing billionaires through its bur…
You know that this is cope of Incompetent of European Homegrown software industry right ??? China literally backwater in 1970s, now they have some of the biggest software tech itw there is no excuse
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> Getting the EU to ban Play Integrity Unlikely to happen, it's just not how they operate. Instead they will create a government registry where any legal entity can register their integrity attestation keys, with oversight by a bureaucracy in a process that takes 6 months and €100,000. Apps will be required to use the registry but still allowed to block attestations they don't like, and any attestation key that leaks…
any legal entity can register their integrity attestation keys, with oversight by a bureaucracy in a process that takes 6 months and €100,000 That wouldn't be great, but at the same time an improvement over the current situation. attestation key that leaks into open circulation (such as FOSS) will be blacklisted in the registry because it no longer attests anything Which makes sense if remote attestation is what you…
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Phone-tap-to-pay is not a real blocker. In fact I think it should be illegal for all vendors. Just use your physical plastic card. Stick it on the back of your phone if you like.
Phone tap to pay is really handy and provides more security than physical plastic cards. It should just not be used by Apple/Google to block out competitors. (Yes, I know banking apps can have their own tap-to-pay implementation on Android, but they all standardized on Google Pay because it's less work for them.)