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A big win for Android interoperability

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Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

You have to negotiate directly with Visa to convince them why they should accept your system. How will you convince them?

so what you're saying is we should be looking at competitors of Visa

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

Why would anyone who cares enough about security/privacy to run a de-googled phone want to use a tap to pay app?

Without Google doesn't mean the same thing for everyone. I got a Motorola g moto stylus 2025 and have been running an experiment for almost a year now in which I use this device without ever logging into the device with a Google account. Fdroid and obtainium work flawlessly. Aurora Store works for the most part but some apps won't even let me open them without a play store signed in account which is sad.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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You're free to make your own card network. How will you convince banks to issue your cards and merchants to accept them?

You mean like the EU digital wallet

You're free to try and make something like that.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

A phone case with your NFC credit card in a pocket on the back. Boom, problem solved.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Very nice, here are the 11 Android features that must be made accessible to third party's: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/developer-portal/in... My favorites: > 6. Structured on-device integration > AI services will be able to easily interact with other apps installed on the device and perform tasks on behalf of the user within those apps, for tasks that the apps and the user have chosen to make available t…

Strange page, it keeps repeating that there are 11 features and then lists four or five, thrice over, and all can be summarised as "device access for competitors' AI voice assistants and dependencies thereof". Then there's some FAQ about the timeline and such. At the very bottom is a link to what seems to be the legal details but ends you up on a search page. Unfolding the only result, there is a link to the 'decision text', which of course you can't just read as text but need to get as a PDF download so the lines can't be broken up and the text is super hard to read using, say, an android phone or screen reader. This format ought to die already.

Anyway, the actual decision text: https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2...

Edit: reading that document, I understand now why that press release, as well as the submission above, doesn't get further than a handful noteworthy properties and that even those partially seem like dependencies of each other: that's all it is. It's all about running code on a device activated by a hotword and the access such that it can actually be used (access to the NPU, ability to run in the background, ability to start phone calls, access to sensors, ability to display things on the screen...)

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

I'm starting to come the the same conclusion, but not for practical reasons. My thinking is about privacy. If I buy some chocolates from retailer X (with or without their loyalty system), these parties will know what I purchased and where: The retailer, the bank, the merchant (visa/mc), wallet provider (Google/Apple/Samsung). Any upstream 3rd parties for analytics, big data warehouses, ai companies (fraud detection,…

A card is a good step to reduce that. I want to go farther and pay cash as much as possible, but it's not trivial to manage when all I have is a pocket full of coins. Is there a 3D printed wallet with slots sized for European coins so you can quickly identify and extract the coins you need instead of rummaging through a mixed pocket?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

Why would anyone who cares enough about security/privacy to run a de-googled phone want to use a tap to pay app?

Why can't I use my bank's app, which I presumably already trust, to tap-to-pay? Why should there be a third party involved at all?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

No it’s not, all of my and my extended family cards (for… like a decade!) are never even leave the envelope they come in. I’m not sure I personally know people who use physical cards over Google or Apple Pay. I have seen the cards being used in the wild, of course. But I’m having hard time remembering anyone I personally know who does that.

How strange that culture is so different in different places. You can just start using them, though. Literally just swipe your card whenever you would swipe your phone.

Do you guys not have wallets with card slots?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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What prevents this? I always assumed they could.

Bootloaders are locked and most of them are unlockable.

Most of them are *not unlockable.

Some of the ones that seem unlockable are actually not unlockable in practice. Like Xiaomi which provides an unlock option that doesn't work unless you work for Xiaomi.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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RCS is a nothingburger in Europe, virtually everybody uses WhatsApp (and a smaller group also Signal, etc.). RCS is especially relevant to the US where many people use iMessage and the downgrade path is SMS/MMS.

Whoops my bad then, disregard previous post. Creating a facebook account at once with my national id in addition to my carrier subscription. Gotta love US dependency.

WhatsApp accounts aren't linked to Facebook accounts - well, not publicly - I'm sure they know you're the same person on the backend. You only need a phone number to sign up to WhatsApp. If that wasn't the case, it wouldn't be as popular.
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