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A big win for Android interoperability

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Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by tonyhart7 »

microtonal wrote: post #28
JoshTriplett wrote: post #20

Now if only these rulings also covered attestation.

Indeed. This ruling seems to be targeted at AI specifically. It is a great ruling, because it allows proper competition of other assistants with Google's (and Bixby). However, IMO the bigger evil is all the anti-competitive stuff that make it impossible for competitors to Android/iOS to enter the market, including European products like SailfishOS, such as remote attestation and the things that flow from it (e.g. no…

I mean EU have 20 years to make android/ios competition and they aren't able to replicate it so its them to blame

also they should not abandon Nokia back then

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by tjoff »

pitchlatte wrote: post #35
shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by askonomm »

tjoff wrote: post #42
pitchlatte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

It is? I haven’t carried my wallet around in years, because Apple Wallet does everything I need. Concert tickets, boarding passes, bank cards, public transport cards, etc. A physical wallet and cards in comparison feels like stone age technology.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by tjpnz »

shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

Google should've been broken up eons ago.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by inigyou »

pitchlatte wrote: post #35
shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

You have to negotiate directly with Visa to convince them why they should accept your system. How will you convince them?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by inigyou »

askonomm wrote: post #43
tjoff wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

It is? I haven’t carried my wallet around in years, because Apple Wallet does everything I need. Concert tickets, boarding passes, bank cards, public transport cards, etc. A physical wallet and cards in comparison feels like stone age technology.

Banks and card networks will only accept proprietary shitware as payment. Would you rather keep the malware confined to a separate processor chip or would you let it run on your phone?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by wltr »

tjoff wrote: post #42
pitchlatte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

No it’s not, all of my and my extended family cards (for… like a decade!) are never even leave the envelope they come in. I’m not sure I personally know people who use physical cards over Google or Apple Pay. I have seen the cards being used in the wild, of course. But I’m having hard time remembering anyone I personally know who does that.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by tjoff »

askonomm wrote: post #43
tjoff wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

It is? I haven’t carried my wallet around in years, because Apple Wallet does everything I need. Concert tickets, boarding passes, bank cards, public transport cards, etc. A physical wallet and cards in comparison feels like stone age technology.

Yes it is. Doesn't break if drop it for one. Much smaller than a phone. Isn't tied to apples ecosystem. etc.

I get that you might want one if you are a tech maximalist with a single focus. But that doesn't mean you should stop carrying your card.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by wltr »

inigyou wrote: post #46
askonomm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is? I haven’t carried my wallet around in years, because Apple Wallet does everything I need. Concert tickets, boarding passes, bank cards, public transport cards, etc. A physical wallet and cards in comparison feels like stone age technology.

Banks and card networks will only accept proprietary shitware as payment. Would you rather keep the malware confined to a separate processor chip or would you let it run on your phone?

In other words, would you like to have your physical card to be lost or stolen and someone paying with it? As small amounts don’t ask for a pin confirmation. Having my phone stolen is pretty much another level of attack.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Post by giantg2 »

shiandow wrote: post #22

I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

Why would anyone who cares enough about security/privacy to run a de-googled phone want to use a tap to pay app?
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