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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

danpalmer wrote: post #131
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #122

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> it didn't work for Twitter -> Mastodon you mean Twitter -> Bluesky? Mastodon seems to work as intended

No this is my point, Mastodon doesn't solve this problem in the general case. The shift to Mastodon did not solve the problem of social network admins with too much power, because of the lock-in to instances. Most instances are fine, but there have been many that have caused their users a lot of difficulty, and users fundamentally don't own their data. The way most users use Bluesky is no different, but the protocol…

I'm banned from Bluesky, how do I fix it?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

fuglede_ wrote: post #256
danpalmer wrote: post #120

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I'm not going to do the protocol justice in an HN comment, but a core goal is to separate the entities that control the data, the entities that run the network, and the entities that control the interfaces (and recommendation algos etc). If your Mastodon admin goes rogue, you a) have to get your data out of their hands, and b) have to rebuild your Mastodon presence in a new location, all your connections, history, et…

But if you are going to self-host, then you can also self-host a Mastodon server and never have to migrate anywhere; wouldn't that achieve the same effect?

Yes.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

Xalutiono wrote: post #148

Hahahah nothing changed on the cryptoside. Its still crazy how much energy bitcoin wastes, how much energy bitcoin steals. Ironic enough, if you know wwere a bitcoin millionar is, its a lot easier to steal from them too.

Do share your strategy for stealing from bitcoin millionaires, for entertainment.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #367

Jim Goad wrote about this. His target was the Bay Area crowd, but Berlin is the same: „ Among most humans, the need for social approval seems stronger than the desire to know the truth. Rejected by the Überclique, the Bay Aryans form cliques of their own. Blind puppies in a cardboard box, they crawl over each other groping for "scene" status. So weak as individuals, they truly believe that "scene" status is a worthwh…

This would be something you'd post if you held opinions that were subject to severe social disapproval.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by graemep »

hedora wrote: post #409
graemep wrote: post #208

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Its not the real reason. Copyright law varies with jurisdiction, is not simply if its AI written its not covered" anywhere AFAIK, and the and the reasons given in the blog post do have anything to do with copyright. There is a certain amount of fuzzy thinking, but I think what is significant about this is that Codeberg is not a neutral place for FOSS software. It is a place for FOSS that Codeberg considers good - so…

The most coherent argument I have heard is that LLM output might not be copyrightable. This matches what most courts have said, and is the assumption the entire industry is working under. There are probably eventually going to be cases where the LLM copies something verbatim, and then the courts will have to come up with some refinement to their tests. The legal exposure for this for codeberg is basically zero in the…

That is a good point. You could not host public domain code there, and there are quite important FOSS projects that are public domain - as well as the the old code you mentioned there is current stuff such as SQLite.

> The legal exposure for this for codeberg is basically zero in the US, thanks to the DMCA.

They are in Germany and they distribute software globally (i.e. you can clone or download code from anywhere) so zero liability in the US is not enough.

I think you are being rather harsh on them, but I think your point is more evidence that the real reasons are the ones in the blog, and they should probably remove copyright as a justification in the ToS.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

addedGone wrote: post #283
ethin wrote: post #141

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This is a pretty great strawman of what their actual terms of service and blog post says. You might want to read both quite thoroughly.

It isn't, I'm literally not allowed to host a project on it, knowing obviously it's 100% "LLM-made" nowadays, no modern softwares can be hosted on it, Bun can't be hosted on it (100% "AI" now), you don't find it ridiculous? The world is changing, they don't want to acknowledge it. The cryptocurrency related projects ban is also insane knowing how much it has contributed to having greater crypto librairies, including…

Just ask your AI to set up a website called Vibeberg for AI projects only. It should be really simple.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

duxup wrote: post #469
inigyou wrote: post #452

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I know. So many platforms don't provide freedom for CSAM.

I think there is space in “things that are illegal / harm” and other choices. Freedom in general is always a compromise to some extent.

It's interesting how your concept of freedom very quickly went from “freedom” to “no actually I mean freedom for things I like”.

Principles are hard, I guess.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #446
inigyou wrote: post #439

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Do the other rules bother you the same way? Like the one about racial discrimination? I mean, there's no surefire way to identify racial discrimination.

Racial discrimination can have fringe cases but is at least something you can often clearly see. You can not detect the intention but you can often see the outcome. But yes. Other rules that are unenforceable without reading tea leaves are also a problem.

It's lucky that the rules aren't enforced by a computer program, isn't it?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

Hendrikto wrote: post #451
inigyou wrote: post #417

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What would a neutral free SaaS look like to you?

Simple: Provide the same freedoms to everybody. Do not get involved unless absolutely required to by law. That entails not restricting access for specific projects, and not revoking freedoms for any reason. Everybody should get the same treatment. For example, in the case of being overloaded by AI contributions, a neutral solution would be to implement the same rate-limiting for every project. Set a sensible limit, a…

Why should GNOME and Forgejo, which are great projects, have to suffer the same limitations as a blob of non-working output from a Markov chain?

It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per source address to all messages.

Most vibe projects aren't even projects in the way that spam isn't even mail. The message says it's from my bank but it isn't. Why should I have the same limits on messages that say they're from my bank and messages that are actually from my bank?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

hedora wrote: post #424
inigyou wrote: post #407

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Codeberg isn't software so the FSF's definition of software freedom is not relevant.

The essay "Who Does That Server Really Serve?" from the FSF explains why their definition of software freedom is more relevant for SaaS than it is for proprietary software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s... In it Stallman gets dangerously close to admitting it's possible to be worse than Microsoft Windows. After documenting spyware and universal back doors in Windows, the section of the…

Forgejo, the software powering Codeberg, is FOSS.
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