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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by kalleboo »

venussnatch wrote: post #136
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

Define resources and create a better limit then. 10 small code-only projects will take orders of magnitude less storage, bandwidth and cpu than one project with committed image and sound assets.

It's a community code forge. If someone poured their heart and soul into making an awesome game with kick-ass image and sound assets, the community probably wants to support it.

Their stance is obvious: if you just want dumb git hosting with a freemium model, use something else.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by gregdaniels421 »

Zambyte wrote: post #291
layer8 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are these plentiful alternatives? SourceHut also comes with “personal baggage”.

Just host your own git server, it's an afternoon project. Use other forges as mirrors.

Forgejo is pretty crazy easy to setup if you have a server with some storage already. It can be set to lock out people by default

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by gregdaniels421 »

sigilsack wrote: post #339
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

docker run data.forgejo.org/forgejo/runner:12 forgejo-runner I thought this was supposed to be a site for hackers? Apply some Hacker Nature to the problem.

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Is there a another platform with more users/better quality users?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by m4rtink »

infecto wrote: post #360
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

I get tired of it because it just becomes a tit for tat war and you end up with these extremely polarized communities. Codeberg is not for me, I could never get over them keeping the anubis anime girls on, but it would be nice if open source communities were a bit more open. There will always be a line to draw but some of the current rules feel arbitrary.

The whole Fedora infrastructure shows the default cute Anubis character (while protecting said infrastructure from AI scrappers) & I don't see any problems with that. :)

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by beepbooptheory »

andsoitis wrote: post #337
beepbooptheory wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point but by your own reasoning here you can't ignore these things because you are also choosing to be principled in your own way here, right? Like you need to know, at the very least, what to avoid if you absolutely must steer clear of all the politics you hate right? Like if you don't even know and choose not to know, how will you have the early warning that the SaaS is gonna ban your hypothetical crypto…

One helpful way to think about is to what extent your principles are rooted in emotions or rigidity, or whether your principles are rooted more in realism and practicality. Put differently: are you making decisions based on principles that are crafted with the goal of CHANGING the world? Or are you making decisions based on principles that are crafted to NAVIGATE a dynamic, fuzzy, ever-changing world?

In your mind, why are the second kinds of things here not "criteria" or "heuristics"?

(Also you can enclose things in * to emphasize on this site btw. There is a little grey 'help' next to the comment box.)

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by throwayay4929 »

ngcazz wrote: post #287
throwayay4929 wrote: post #276

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Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF? We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. "The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

"nice things" you mean upholding the harm of the status quo by not criticizing it

So youre proposing that everyone should always be criticizing every unjust thing in the world or else they're upholding the status quo?

By that silly logic I guess codeberg is supporting the uyghur genocide because they don't mention it.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

Jim Goad wrote about this. His target was the Bay Area crowd, but Berlin is the same:

„ Among most humans, the need for social approval seems stronger than the desire to know the truth. Rejected by the Überclique, the Bay Aryans form cliques of their own. Blind puppies in a cardboard box, they crawl over each other groping for "scene" status. So weak as individuals, they truly believe that "scene" status is a worthwhile goal. They howl about "fighting fascism," yet they exhibit a strong urge to feel part of some "community," which is the first flash of the fascist impulse.

You all need a crowd. You all need a movement. You need to be surrounded by the wool of a million other sheep before you finally feel warm. You all have social consciences because you're zeros as individuals. Your compassion for others is ironically founded on your own self-hatred. You swim with "the movement" because you're lost on your own.“

https://www.jimgoad.net/bayaryan.html

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by al_be_back »

I agree with Codeberg, I think they're arguing for some sort of AI Code-Gen Fair Use policy.

My take: If ai generated the code, let ai pay for it, unless it has been proved worth it's upkeep. Basically, show me some sort of: AI code-gen proof of work (or proof of worth, some mechanism), then you're in.

Automation at ai-scale are very expensive, just look at the trillions of USD being spent by ai companies. And let's not forget, that the rest of us don't have those levels of funding. And neither do non-profits like Codeberg i'm guessing.

And some more, i'm not even considering security issues, where for instance ai code-gen turns on hosting/platform providers (similar to chapgpt incident on hugginfaces). even if the sandbox proves resilient, the code is parasitic in nature or behaves like a virus.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by skydhash »

rpdillon wrote: post #354
soapdog wrote: post #193

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Gives them a line to justify removing projects in the future if they are caught violating the ToS.

Do we have a tool that can detect whether a project is majority LLM-written? This is an unenforceable rule, unless it's just coming down to vibes and they're going to decide what projects to ban based on their feelings.

> It is an unenforceable rule

Are you sure? It's pretty easy to find telltale signs of LLM usage, like the CLAUDE.md file, the '.cursor' directory, the 'vim'-sized codebase done in a week.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by infecto »

m4rtink wrote: post #364
infecto wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get tired of it because it just becomes a tit for tat war and you end up with these extremely polarized communities. Codeberg is not for me, I could never get over them keeping the anubis anime girls on, but it would be nice if open source communities were a bit more open. There will always be a line to draw but some of the current rules feel arbitrary.

The whole Fedora infrastructure shows the default cute Anubis character (while protecting said infrastructure from AI scrappers) & I don't see any problems with that. :)

I don’t object to anime or furry art. I just think shared infrastructure serving a broad technical audience is better off staying visually neutral. Once branding starts signaling subcultures, the discussion too often shifts from the software to identity. Given the other decisions some of these communities have made it makes sense. Not for me but that’s ok!
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