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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by lelanthran »

therealpygon wrote: post #58
Aachen wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I voted against, partly because I feel that the text doesn't to justice to such a multifaceted topic. If all projects on Codeberg were human-written, that would be a big seal of quality! There are a lot of projects coming out now where someone feels like they've made a cool thing but it breaks on the first edge case and is entirely unmaintainable. Many are built on wrong principles because the prompt authors aren'…

A big seal of quality because it is human written? Maybe in narrow spaces but in general, I’d put money on the average developer being significantly worse at writing code with bugs than an AI. It’s codebergs infra so their choice, but it seems like an overly simplistic solution to a complicated advancing technology, in that it is a threadbare line between “vibe-coded” and “complex agent harness with human oversight a…

> I’d put money on the average developer being significantly worse at writing code with bugs than an AI.

I'd put money on the average AI-coded project being of a worse quality, simply because the number of vibe-coders with no experience now outnumbers actual coders using AI-assist around 10 to 1.

I'm literally seeing companies being pitched with B2B products written by people who had never written a program before, even as a hobby!

AI on average might write better code, but there's no way AI prompted by a shoe salesman is going to be better than code written by a person with even 2x years of experience.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by shumaila12 »

therealpygon wrote: post #58
Aachen wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I voted against, partly because I feel that the text doesn't to justice to such a multifaceted topic. If all projects on Codeberg were human-written, that would be a big seal of quality! There are a lot of projects coming out now where someone feels like they've made a cool thing but it breaks on the first edge case and is entirely unmaintainable. Many are built on wrong principles because the prompt authors aren'…

A big seal of quality because it is human written? Maybe in narrow spaces but in general, I’d put money on the average developer being significantly worse at writing code with bugs than an AI. It’s codebergs infra so their choice, but it seems like an overly simplistic solution to a complicated advancing technology, in that it is a threadbare line between “vibe-coded” and “complex agent harness with human oversight a…

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#113

Post by shumaila12 »

therealpygon wrote: post #58
Aachen wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I voted against, partly because I feel that the text doesn't to justice to such a multifaceted topic. If all projects on Codeberg were human-written, that would be a big seal of quality! There are a lot of projects coming out now where someone feels like they've made a cool thing but it breaks on the first edge case and is entirely unmaintainable. Many are built on wrong principles because the prompt authors aren'…

A big seal of quality because it is human written? Maybe in narrow spaces but in general, I’d put money on the average developer being significantly worse at writing code with bugs than an AI. It’s codebergs infra so their choice, but it seems like an overly simplistic solution to a complicated advancing technology, in that it is a threadbare line between “vibe-coded” and “complex agent harness with human oversight a…

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#116

Post by z0ltan »

tebruno99 wrote: post #108

I think Codeberg is well within its rights to offer services in the way that it wants. If customers don't like it they can move & stop paying. Find a host that fits the terms you want and expect. That is what is great about Codeberg, no lockin no scam.

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by simoncion »

bhelkey wrote: post #89
embedding-shape wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Codeberg was actively positioned as an indie almost drop-in Github alternative What on earth are you talking about? No one, no less Codeberg themselves, would make up such fictitious comparison. The terms and conditions second point is "Allowed Content & Usage", and has been for a good 4 years, no one who's part of the organization would say it's a "drop-in GitHub alternative". It's not a "anything goes" git host e…

>> Codeberg was actively positioned as an indie almost drop-in Github alternative > What on earth are you talking about? No one, no less Codeberg themselves, would make up such fictitious comparison. Codeberg's getting started documentation has the line, "Codeberg is not a for-profit corporation but an open community of free software enthusiasts providing a humane, non-commercial and privacy-friendly alternative to c…

Nothing in that quote suggests that it's an "almost drop-in" replacement for Github.

As an illustrative example: Proton is an alternative to Microsoft Windows, but it is not a drop-in replacement.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by simoncion »

Yokohiii wrote: post #46
boramalper wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects. I think Codeberg was never intended for one-off individual projects in the first place, such as them discouraging private repositories. Quoting their Terms of Use [0]: > Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like s…

I didn't look into codeberg really and didn't follow any discussions around it, except some projects fleeing to codeberg. At the first glance it just looks like a github competitor. Recently I tried to create a repo there and nothing pointed out any of the noted restrictions or preferences. I think that is a clear communication problem. Maybe the times are chaotic for them and they need to figure out how to position…

> ... Recently I tried to create a repo there and nothing pointed out any of the noted restrictions or preferences.

> I think that is a clear communication problem. ...

The following is very clearly posted on their account creation page: [0]

  By registering for a Codeberg account, you consent to our Privacy Policy [1] and agree to our Terms of Use. [2]
You'll note that [2] is the same document linked to by the commenter you replied to. Perhaps being informed of your obligations when you create an account is insufficient, and you require alert-fatigue-inducing quantities of restatement of the company's policy documents throughout the UI?

[0] https://codeberg.org/user/sign_up>

[1] https://codeberg.org/codeberg/org/src/PrivacyPolicy.md>

[2] https://codeberg.org/codeberg/org/src/TermsOfUse.md>

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by danpalmer »

qznc wrote: post #109
danpalmer wrote: post #105

The answer to big platforms enshittifying is not to move to smaller versions of the same thing. This didn't work for GitHub -> Codeberg/Sourcehut, it didn't work for Twitter -> Mastodon. Because the problem is not necessarily the size, it's the power. Codeberg is exerting power beyond what it should and users have little recourse and get caught up in the issues, some Mastodon servers are fine but there have been plen…

How does Bluesky or ATProto prevent that power trip?

I'm not going to do the protocol justice in an HN comment, but a core goal is to separate the entities that control the data, the entities that run the network, and the entities that control the interfaces (and recommendation algos etc).

If your Mastodon admin goes rogue, you a) have to get your data out of their hands, and b) have to rebuild your Mastodon presence in a new location, all your connections, history, etc are gone. That's exactly the same problem that Twitter users faced.

On ATProto, you can self-host your data while still making use of Bluesky/etc, in a way that you can't do with Mastodon or even email. You can choose who your UI comes from and just switch UI and keep everything, you can switch who your moderators are and keep everything else, etc.

Check out Blacksky, they're doing amazing work running a whole separate ATProto system that is fully compatible with, and actually the same social network as Bluesky. You can transparently migrate, at a protocol level, something Mastodon/ActivityPub doesn't attempt to tackle.

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