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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by senordevnyc »

bayindirh wrote: post #682
senordevnyc wrote: post #668

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What? Why? Why would those first two be "technical problems" that we can "solve" with innovation, but that last example isn't? What makes something a technical problem vs. a societal problem?

Generally, if you're targeting behavior of the people or the masses, you're targeting a societal problem. People bullying other people is not a technical problem. People driving dangerously is not a technical problem. People shoplifting is not a technical problem. All of them have different reasons deep down, and preventing the symptom doesn't solve the problem. When you effectively prevent bullying, the bully might…

Not even a little bit. Every example given has immediate first order causes and effects that are both technical and societal. And the second order effects are even more entangled. The example of a societal problem given (online bullying) is itself enabled by technology! And there are online spaces where technology solves it.

We are highly adoptable, highly social creatures whose behavior is greatly impacted by our environment, which includes the people around us, the culture in which we live, and the things that technology enables (or prevents) in that environment.

I just think there’s no bright line at all between societal and technical problems, they’re just labels we apply based on our internal views of how they should be solved.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by literalAardvark »

GreenWatermelon wrote: post #607
maelito wrote: post #599

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Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech. As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

So it's ok if they invade far-away countries, napalm bomb them leading to millions of casualties, but not ok to invade neighboring countries? The US is responsible for far more pain and suffering in my nock of the world, so it's funny when Americans act like they have some sort of moral high ground.

The US has at least led the longest window of relative peace in the world. Might seem worse or the same to you if you're in one of the flashpoints, but for Europeans they've been reasonable hegemons until recently.

Russia has no such redeeming qualities, as far as I can tell they've always been extractive expansionist assholes like all previous empires. The only reason you might not despise them is that they might not be active in your area, as their ability to project force has always been pathetic. In Eastern Europe they're roughly Satan, and have been for at least a century.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by anonymous344 »

andersonpico wrote: post #664
freediver wrote: post #404

7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

Keep fighting the good fight. Also, offering a counterpoint for the sibling comments: Yandex results are the most valuable for the type of thing censored in all other search engines. If I want to search for news on the war on Ukraine I go anywhere, but the things yandex works for are censored everywhere else.

yes. Remember when google brought the cencoring "because it's only used for cp and we need to protect the ch1ldren, don't we? or are you one of the pps?"

And now they are cencoring everything. Like somewere was a page of tiktok removing requests by country and holy-lheehlll, every day, constantly.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by plutokras »

bayindirh wrote: post #693
Dumblydorr wrote: post #681

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Wow! Can I ask how Kagi is best for your uses? Would love to try myself

Oh, this appeared late in my feed. I personally like the ability to filter my own results by promoting, demoting or blocking certain domains to filter lower quality results further. Same for image search which can also filter out AI generated images. Also, I find lenses very useful (which is a way to limit your search radius) to search for specific things in the specific parts of the internet. i.e. you can define a l…

> I personally like the ability to filter my own results by promoting, demoting or blocking certain domains to filter lower quality results further.

I had an annual Kagi subscription that I let lapse not long ago. That was hands-down the best feature, so I vibecoded a small userscript that replicates it for DuckDuckGo. DDG also lets you turn off ads.

I'd gladly return once they fix the integration issues. In Safari, the redirect via the extension is a bit wonky at times.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by allarm »

ejohansson wrote: post #533
cuu508 wrote: post #470

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Please reconsider Kagi's partnership with Yandex.

Ouch. I was not aware. Cancelled. It's rough that it's so hard to be an ethical consumer these days. Mullvad gone, Kagi gone.

This comment is just unbelievable. With Kagi "canceled" you're back to use your regular search engine powered by the sociopaths destroying the world. But hey, at least your 5 bucks didn't go to Kremlin!

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by allarm »

ejohansson wrote: post #768
inigyou wrote: post #752

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Did you go out of your way to buy a non-Chinese-made phone? You technically have a choice there, but not much of one. About as much of a choice as you have in the search engine business.

Like I wrote, and what you seem to say again here, I agree that it is unfortunate how tough it is to be an ethical consumer these days.

Were there the days when it was easy for you? Do share the memories, please.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by xnx »

andersonpico wrote: post #667
layer8 wrote: post #546

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> ads in disguise These are illegal in most jurisdictions. We need to apply the existing laws.

You can't fight this battle in the current judicial system. If before anyone can successfully bring a lawsuit in front of a judge the company has unlimited money, then at least one of these three things will be true: a. the damages won't make a dent b. they can throw lawyers at the problem for the win c. they will have grafted their way into the economy so deeply that no one will want to kill their main source of inc…

No large companies are breaking this law directly. There a rampant violations by "influencers".

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by xnx »

ClikeX wrote: post #760
gonzalohm wrote: post #698

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What about influencers promoting products? I don't think there are any flags indicating that it's an ad

Influencers are required to disclose ads in most places.

In theory, but it takes less than a minute on Instagram to find dozens of "influencers" violating this rule.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by autuni »

Nition wrote: post #172

Funny how in their front-and-centre example of placing an ad, the user wants to build a fence, ChatGPT responds with instructions on how to build a fence, but the ad suggests a small pre-made privacy panel. Why make your fake example show a failed ad placement? You could have shown anything!

That stood out to me as well, of all the examples to use, getting a blind suggestion without any information other than "I want to build a fence" is ridiculous, who would ever want this?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by ar-nazeh »

p-e-w wrote: post #539
jwr wrote: post #499

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Yes, please do. Your support of Russia is the only reason why I stopped using Kagi and paying for Kagi. I really want to like you and use your product.

If you consider supporting a Russian company equivalent to “supporting Russia”, then I assume you are happy to be supporting the United States by using US services… like the one you are on right now.

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