Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

privacypros.com.au

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

211–220 of 228 posts

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#211

Post by subscribed »

andai wrote: post #206
subscribed wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. That's untrue. There was a strong push towards the digital ID from the current administration, but it was abandoned 6 months ago. What you likely mixed up with digital ID is the old digital visa scheme, mandatory for all non-UK citizens to prove right to work. Re: your app list: looks a little bit eclectic, so it's worth mention…

> the old digital visa scheme, mandatory for all non-UK citizens to prove right to work. Weren't they accepting refugees without documentation?

At some workplaces?

I don't know, probably? That always was an offence[1] anyway.

New scheme, mandatory digital ID, would simply stop Britons from being able to use their physical passport to prove they can work. For everyone else that would swap existing electronic-only scheme with another electronic-only scheme.

I don't think anyone half awake would mistake a refugee with a Brit. At least it's not a problem that would explain introducing a whole huge PITA -- like with mandatory IDs for voting: if I'm not mistaken TWO people total were sentenced for voting-related offences, yet we spend double digits of millions of pounds only to (knowingly) disenfranchise voters traditionally voting against the Conservative government.

Look, I'm a citizen of the EU country and my country's physical ID holds electronic layer containing private keys I can use to remotely sign stuff or authenticate myself. It also allows me to using a digital only ID, and the app ecosystem around that is truly amazing. And I'm a picky one.

Basically it's everything, along with basically every single one European physical ID with electronic layer built-in.

British digital ID was *nothing' of that. If it was a physical smartcard first, optional and not mandatory, I'd probably support it, but the government messaging about that was full of lies and handwaving, especially when people were bringing up the failures of digital only systems like Settled Status for Europeans. Nothing mattered, steamrolling over arguments with soundbites.

No, long story short: no, digital IDs are NOT mandatory and no, employment fraud is not that widespread, and the new system won't fix the employers skirting the law.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/illegal-working-p...

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#212

Post by fragmede »

bryan_w wrote: post #192
inigyou wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abuser calls police and says the victim did some crime, police subpoena Google for location history.

How is that different from getting that data from the phone company?

The end result is the same, the abuser gets the location of their victim. More routes for the abuse to get that is worse than fewer ways for them to get it.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#213

Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #210
Cider9986 wrote: post #4

It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS. For example: Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier. And that's not even mentioning…

"Phones have great potential to be the most private and secure computers." How would that be achieved We could assume that a user could make their own computer "private and secure" But if a third party, e.g., Apple, Inc., Google, LLC, GrapheneOS Foundation, etc., has RCE, e.g., "auto-updates", then how can the computer be "private and secure" against that third party and any party that they "work with", voluntarily o…

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/04/apple-expands...

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#214

Post by [deleted] »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #210
Cider9986 wrote: post #4

It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS. For example: Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier. And that's not even mentioning…

"Phones have great potential to be the most private and secure computers." How would that be achieved We could assume that a user could make their own computer "private and secure" But if a third party, e.g., Apple, Inc., Google, LLC, GrapheneOS Foundation, etc., has RCE, e.g., "auto-updates", then how can the computer be "private and secure" against that third party and any party that they "work with", voluntarily o…

[deleted]

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#215

Post by defrost »

defrost wrote: post #19
bigiain wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The website also says: "Australian research shows that 99% of domestic violence cases now involve some form of technology-facilitated abuse." Where the "Australian research" is linked to a page where the first Key Finding states: "Over one quarter (27%) of domestic violence cases involve technology-facilitated abuse of children." Doesn't fill me with confidence in anything they say (even if I do believe the advice is…

The relevant quote* from the linked Australian research is: Technology-facilitated abuse is becoming more and more of a key feature of domestic and family violence. A 2015 survey of 546 domestic and family violence frontline workers found that 98% of respondents had clients who had experienced technology-facilitated abuse. The research then focuses specifically on children , finding that of all the domestic violence…

As no one has commented on the problem;

98% of "frontline workers" having direct experience of "Technology-facilitated abuse" (ie. have encountered at least one case of it out of all their cases)

is very different to

98% of "all domestic violence cases" involving "Technology-facilitated abuse".

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#216

Post by Cider9986 »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #117
Cider9986 wrote: post #4

It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS. For example: Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier. And that's not even mentioning…

well you cant blame apple for that since Government can literally force your company to doing shit like this

I blame them for collecting the phone numbers. They can already make sure you're running an apple account on real hardware. If they didn't collect phone numbers, they couldn't give them away, that's how all good privacy respecting companies like Signal operate.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#217

Post by monksy »

andai wrote: post #205
monksy wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're running into situations where the usage of smart phones and apps are becoming mandatory for using services. For example: The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. Additionally the EU digital identity services have a hardware/software attestitation that is required to run their apps. (Many of those which 3rd party software can't run). Another example of this is the A…

> We're running into situations where the usage of smart phones and apps are becoming mandatory for using services. A new building is being built in my city, and the trash containers which were installed outside have instructions printed on them, indicating that you need to use a smartphone app to take out your trash. I found this deeply offensive in a way that I cannot explain.

There are breastfeeding pods in airports that require an app and registration to use them as well. (But it's a well known code to use them. 80085 )

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#218

Post by NeutralWanted »

HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #166
NeutralWanted wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

GrapheneOS does not interfere with law enforcement doing their jobs. Thats like saying the right to remain silent interferes with law enforcement doing their jobs. Law enforcement has one job, enforcing the law, and that includes following their own laws. People have a right to privacy, and GrapheneOS is one of the many methods that allow people to exercise that right.

Not talking about graphene. I use graphene daily. I was responding to the dude butthurt about the ICE app being banned

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#219

Post by NeutralWanted »

Cider9986 wrote: post #43
NeutralWanted wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

>I work at Google, and yes. We use a monorepo for absolutely everything you can think of. But good luck getting that code off a corp device without being caught https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46440276 Hmm, I hope you don't work on AOSP!

I do, actually, why?

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

#220

Post by izacus »

inigyou wrote: post #148
izacus wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of high moral principles, but "let's build technology that explicitly protects criminals - especially child and women traffickers - against investigation" ain't one of them for majority of people living in democracies.

Do you believe window curtains should be legal? Should it be legal for a TV to not include a microphone and require an internet connection (as recent LG TVs do)?

If you're too lazy to engage with the topic at hand, don't.
Post reply on HN