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Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by charcircuit »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #30
monksy wrote: post #6

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I agree with that.. additionaly, I'm finding it to be insane that organizations are trying to force you to have a "audited" phone to interact with them. (I.e. events, businesses, etc)

Remote attestation is not just insane, it's the technology that will end free computing as we know it today. What good is free software if using it marks our devices as untrusted and gets us banned from every service out there? Gets us ostracized from digital society? Because we "tampered" with the device? We should be able to run whatever software we want and they should be none the wiser. Instead, we are part of th…

>What good is free software if using it marks our devices as untrusted

That is not what remote attestation is for. The operating system maintains isolation between apps, so a free software app being installed doesn't mean an app that needs high security is compromised.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by subscribed »

monksy wrote: post #28
andai wrote: post #11

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What is that? I don't seem to be finding anything relevant on Google.

We're running into situations where the usage of smart phones and apps are becoming mandatory for using services. For example: The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. Additionally the EU digital identity services have a hardware/software attestitation that is required to run their apps. (Many of those which 3rd party software can't run). Another example of this is the A…

> The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK.

That's untrue.

There was a strong push towards the digital ID from the current administration, but it was abandoned 6 months ago.

What you likely mixed up with digital ID is the old digital visa scheme, mandatory for all non-UK citizens to prove right to work.

Re: your app list: looks a little bit eclectic, so it's worth mentioning most of the apps don't ban GoS specifically, but enforce Google play strong or device integrity pass, which GoS doesn't pass.

Some trip on some exploit protections, like secure app spawning, but these can be turned off per app in the latest releases based on Android 17.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by Anvoker »

NeutralWanted wrote: post #31
Cider9986 wrote: post #4

It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS. For example: Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier. And that's not even mentioning…

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And why not? Law enforcement does not represent supreme justice and good. There are higher moral principles out there. Respect for law enforcement in the absence of justice is a disaster for society. All it does is give cover for bad actors.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by nyargh »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #41

Why care about what Google know about you, in case of domestic abuse ? It's not like Google is going to sell your tracking data to abuser. There are many reasons to get rid of Google altogether, I just don't understand this one.

You should google 40% of police..

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by Cider9986 »

k4rli wrote: post #57
Cider9986 wrote: post #44

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Hmm, don't really miss anything from iOS besides tap the top screen to go to top of page. Also Apple Notes is great. No back button on iOS is madness and also the Android rotate screen integration is way better than iOS.

Obsidian might be even greater for notes. Looks beautiful, and it's super immersive on OLED especially. Worth trying for sure. Tap to scroll might be possible to get also. Haven't felt need for it when it takes a few regular scrolls anyway.

Thanks for the rec, I'll try it it. I like the open nature with markdown but when I tried on Mac it was a bit confusing.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by Cider9986 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #63
Cider9986 wrote: post #44

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Hmm, don't really miss anything from iOS besides tap the top screen to go to top of page. Also Apple Notes is great. No back button on iOS is madness and also the Android rotate screen integration is way better than iOS.

It's mostly the app. Nothing come close to apple notes or reminder for instance. Even safari... On Android, you get chromium that doesn't have any extension or Firefox that has incredibly frustrating UI and doesn't work well on some website.

I can understand extensions but I like Vanadium a lot more than Safari. Reminders is hard to replace unfortunately. Overall I like android apps a lot more though. Once you find the right ones.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by izacus »

Anvoker wrote: post #73
NeutralWanted wrote: post #31

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And why not? Law enforcement does not represent supreme justice and good. There are higher moral principles out there. Respect for law enforcement in the absence of justice is a disaster for society. All it does is give cover for bad actors.

There's plenty of high moral principles, but "let's build technology that explicitly protects criminals - especially child and women traffickers - against investigation" ain't one of them for majority of people living in democracies.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by izacus »

andai wrote: post #10

Can someone explain this? I've used custom ROMs back in the day (Cyanogen!) but I'm not familiar with GrapheneOS. I remember Cyanogen ships without Google Play etc., right? (Because if you install Google Services and a bunch of crap from their store (theirs and otherwise) that spies on you, it defeats the purpose of a privacy preserving OS. So I'm assuming Graphene is at least as strict as that? (Well Cyanogen at lea…

It's an advertisement. That's pretty much the difference, the company selling these phones has a very high margin for essentially resell of Google phones with reflash of GrapheneOS.
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