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GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by Barbing »

trial_version wrote: post #24

Haven't anybody noticed an iPhone in the illustration, or is it just my mind working that way?

Stock photo - yeah that triple camera is equivalent to an Apple logo. Perhaps royalty-free image chosen without enough care or b/c it’s just a stock photo. (Or they already licensed that one.)

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by harvey9 »

d--b wrote: post #3

This is a website made by people who sell phones that are 100% tracker-free, and that run on GrpheneOS. I wouldn’t recommend domestic violence victims to install graphene os on their phone by themselves

I flashed a pixel using their webpage. They have made it remarkably simple to do.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by LoganDark »

monksy wrote: post #6
Cider9986 wrote: post #4

It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS. For example: Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier. And that's not even mentioning…

I agree with that.. additionaly, I'm finding it to be insane that organizations are trying to force you to have a "audited" phone to interact with them. (I.e. events, businesses, etc)

I miss the days when iOS jailbreaks allowed you to completely circumvent basically all DRM because the trust in Apple was so high that you could just assume a device is secure. Contrast that with Android, which has always had invasive attestation mechanisms because of widespread mistrust in OEMs. On iOS, sometimes you had individual apps trying to check for jailbreak but that was it

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by monksy »

andai wrote: post #11
monksy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with that.. additionaly, I'm finding it to be insane that organizations are trying to force you to have a "audited" phone to interact with them. (I.e. events, businesses, etc)

What is that? I don't seem to be finding anything relevant on Google.

We're running into situations where the usage of smart phones and apps are becoming mandatory for using services.

For example: The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. Additionally the EU digital identity services have a hardware/software attestitation that is required to run their apps. (Many of those which 3rd party software can't run).

Another example of this is the Australian eTA - (Everyone has to have a visa to visit Australia.. but the real only way to get a visa* is you have to get an electronic travel authorization which only works via an App)

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

Apps that ban graphene-os being used:

    myGov (Australian government app)
    gov.br (Brazilian government app)
    Ticketcorner
    Authy
    Chyrpe Dating
    TextNow
    mada Pay (Saudi NFC payment app)
    McDonald's (International app used for many but not all countries not including the US)
    Dott
    My SEAT (Connectivity for SEAT cars)
    SwissID
    Volkswagen
    BKK Faber-Castell & Partner
    TK-Doc
    TK-Ident
    TK-App (Blocks access to TK-Safe, TK-GesundheitsMessenger, fingerprint login)
    IO (Italian government app which uses it to gate access to the digital wallet feature)
    PosteID (Italian postal service’s app used to access the national digital identity system "SPID")
    Singpass

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by mmooss »

harvey9 wrote: post #26
d--b wrote: post #3

This is a website made by people who sell phones that are 100% tracker-free, and that run on GrpheneOS. I wouldn’t recommend domestic violence victims to install graphene os on their phone by themselves

I flashed a pixel using their webpage. They have made it remarkably simple to do.

How do you know what they installed? Also, I understand that GrapheneOS installs are very simple now.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Post by matheusmoreira »

monksy wrote: post #6
Cider9986 wrote: post #4

It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS. For example: Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier. And that's not even mentioning…

I agree with that.. additionaly, I'm finding it to be insane that organizations are trying to force you to have a "audited" phone to interact with them. (I.e. events, businesses, etc)

Remote attestation is not just insane, it's the technology that will end free computing as we know it today.

What good is free software if using it marks our devices as untrusted and gets us banned from every service out there? Gets us ostracized from digital society? Because we "tampered" with the device?

We should be able to run whatever software we want and they should be none the wiser. Instead, we are part of the threat model now. Our devices are now cryptographically attesting that they are corporate owned and that we are under corporate control. It's so disgusting. The future we're heading towards is terrifying. Everything the word hacker ever stood for will be destroyed if this keeps up.

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