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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by logicchains » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:10 PM UTC

dyauspitr wrote: post #394

bradley13 wrote: post #128

Stupid parliamentary trick: Hold the vote on the day before the summer break - ensuring that many people have already returned to their home countries. Then use a sort of "reverse" parliamentary trick: the default is that this legislation is accepted. They needed an absolute majority - not of voting members, but of all members - to reject it. Result: 314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions, 113 absent The EU is wel…

The internet is pretty stupid now and needs to be reigned in so our sons and daughters aren’t wide eyed zombies. Most of you won’t agree with me but it’s true and something needs to be done so I laud this.

Our parents are the zombies who keep voting for the destruction of their civilization just to keep their housing prices propped up.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by throwaway27448 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:11 PM UTC

cess11 wrote: post #338

throwaway27448 wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a little naive. This sort of legislation is much more useful in terms of managing the local population and what they are allowed to talk about than it is in terms of profit—except, I suppose, in the sense that holding companies liable for what is said with their software is unprofitable.

I didn't mention profit.

Why mention the US if you're not referring to the GDPR?

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:16 PM UTC

bko wrote: post #430

spikels wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only was Chat Control 1.0 already rejected twice by the European Parliament but: - This vote took place on last day of the session when many MEPs had already left for Summer vacation - 112 MEPs of 719 didn't vote. - The vote was called only two days before as an "Rule 170 - Urgent procedure" - 73 MEPs missed the vote making it "urgent". Normally it takes months of procedure to come up for a final vote.

That's why you have a constitution with rights that are not up for vote. Even relying on people to vote no is not enough.

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:18 PM UTC

sunshine-o wrote: post #103

budududuroiu wrote: post #6

Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole. It's clear that member countries use the EU as a blame-laundering mechanism to pass domestically unpopular laws, but the forcing of this vote under the urgency procedure that requires absolute majority to reject, on the last EP session before summer break is so blatant that it might awaken people that might've overlooked the s…

What should worry everybody is the big picture (trying to abstract from politics, ideologies and specific situation). In recent years we had: - Europe is now at war with Russia (neighbor) - Its relationship with the US is rapidly deteriorating (main partner, de facto protector) - Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating - It is getting very antagonistic with it own citizen and some individual member…

> - Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating

For which there is no good reason and which is extremely stupid

There has been zero aggression from China towards Europe and zero chance of military confrontation.

Most of the sanctions that were implemented under pressure from Us have backfired on Europe (but not so much on US)

European politicians are going around the world and telling India not to trade with Russia while Israel trades with Russia, etc.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by quater321 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:18 PM UTC

teekert wrote: post #38

This is a nice piece of democracy right here: "a measure it had rejected twice in March. Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes. As a result, mass scanning is now permitted again until 2028." "Oh no we can't get a majority to…

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by bdelmas » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:21 PM UTC

rowanG077 wrote: post #366

GiorgioG wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So 112 MEPs didn't do their job...got it.

Politicians can take vacations. Many things went wrong here but this ain't it.

Or exactly as planned.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by wartywhoa23 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:23 PM UTC

bradley13 wrote: post #128

Stupid parliamentary trick: Hold the vote on the day before the summer break - ensuring that many people have already returned to their home countries. Then use a sort of "reverse" parliamentary trick: the default is that this legislation is accepted. They needed an absolute majority - not of voting members, but of all members - to reject it. Result: 314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions, 113 absent The EU is wel…

> Are so many so naive?

No, it's the clueless general public that is criminally naive and fails to recognize the revival of fascism in real time under their own noses.

It's something straight out of that 2015 German movie, "Er ist wieder da" ("Look Who's Back").

Same giggles, same reactions, same gaslighting of those who see where it's heading, same final effect.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by Lio » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:23 PM UTC

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #432

selfmodruntime wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any time now even the most pro-european EU defender will realise that what was once a trade union has slowly transformed itself into an undemocratic, bureaucratic monster.

Here in the UK, a large proportion of the population still think the EU is a good idea... Despite all the evidence proving otherwise.

I know I do.

I think the main purpose of the EU is to prevent wars between European states by providing a forum for compromise and cooperation.

I’d say it’s succeeded in that nicely since its founding. Not one war between member states despite ongoing disputes.

Seems like a very good idea.

I hate this law though, it’s undemocratic.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by CrisMystik » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:24 PM UTC

sebastiennight wrote: post #420

CrisMystik wrote: post #138

One thing that should be noted is that, since the Parliament has been able to approve an amendment by absolute majority (which explicitly excludes E2E chats), the procedure is not over and the law is still not enacted, a third reading is still needed, after negotiations with the Council and the Commission, and in this case the Parliament will be able to reject the act by a simple majority

I was looking for information about this. So this new reading and vote would happen after summer?

The new reading will happen if the Council rejects the amendment approved by the Parliament. When it does they have 6 weeks to negotiate, and then 6 weeks to approve the result of negotiations, if any.

Basically, the hope is that the Council rejects that amendment in its second reading (but right, the probability of this is not really high, since it codifies what was already true). I should have explained it better in my comment

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by Pazzaz » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 10:25 PM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #317

God..why.. Do the citizens have no say in this??

The citizens do have a say: they vote in elections. This is a temporary law that was implemented 5 years ago so everyone had a chance to vote in the 2024 EU election and vote out those who supported this law. But most people don't care if a company like Meta is allowed to scan their messages. For those who care, they can always use an encrypted messaging service like Signal or Telegram.