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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by atmosx »

inglor_cz wrote: post #304
belval wrote: post #265

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> Would they not be in favor of _less_ regulation so they can provide services to their users with fewer legal considerations? Regulatory capture. If the handling of user messages requires constant scanning and there are enough rules that you need a team of lawyers, then only Google, Meta and Apple will be able to afford it.

I cannot imagine Musk simply submitting to this sort of EU demand, and he has enough hue-and-cry capability on X to maneuver other tech firms into very uncomfortable positions in the same regard.

lol He'll put on a show and then cave-in like he always does: https://people.com/elon-musk-says-he-didnt-do-nazi-salute-at...

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Post by sebastiennight »

inglor_cz wrote: post #304
belval wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would they not be in favor of _less_ regulation so they can provide services to their users with fewer legal considerations? Regulatory capture. If the handling of user messages requires constant scanning and there are enough rules that you need a team of lawyers, then only Google, Meta and Apple will be able to afford it.

I cannot imagine Musk simply submitting to this sort of EU demand, and he has enough hue-and-cry capability on X to maneuver other tech firms into very uncomfortable positions in the same regard.

You're implying that X is not scanning, or ever planning to scan, private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion?

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Post by wolvoleo »

graemep wrote: post #314
wolvoleo wrote: post #133

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Yeah US is threatening to invade and take over Canada, Greenland, I mean no wonder the alliance is no longer strong right? And the internal struggles are indeed a problem, this is due to the extreme right which has completely taken over America (and is sponsored by Russia). It was good to see the Hungarians came to their senses but it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries. The problem is…

There is a considerable history of the US wanting Greenland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisi... > The problem is who do we ally with that we can trust now. "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." ― Lord Palmerston There are lots of possible allies, but no one single ally to depend…

Well yes the US has wanted it but never actually threatened to invade it before.

And no I don't think it's a good idea for Europe to become a federated state. The US' current situation shows how bad that could turn if the wrong person is elected.

At least we have the national governments here as a safeguard and we can also leave the EU if needed.

And yeah I didn't name India as a possible partner because they're too close with Russia. The EU is trying to make some deals with them but it's a bad idea while Modi and the BJP in general is in power in my opinion. They're similarly bad to minorites as the Chinese.

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Post by rowanG077 »

mflaherty22 wrote: post #372
rowanG077 wrote: post #366

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Politicians can take vacations. Many things went wrong here but this ain't it.

Very reductionist comment- if you're an elected representative and you leave early to take a vacation knowing you'll be missing votes, you're not doing your job..

They did not know this, this was an emergency vote literally injected two days ago.

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Post by charlieyu1 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #394
bradley13 wrote: post #128

Stupid parliamentary trick: Hold the vote on the day before the summer break - ensuring that many people have already returned to their home countries. Then use a sort of "reverse" parliamentary trick: the default is that this legislation is accepted. They needed an absolute majority - not of voting members, but of all members - to reject it. Result: 314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions, 113 absent The EU is wel…

The internet is pretty stupid now and needs to be reigned in so our sons and daughters aren’t wide eyed zombies. Most of you won’t agree with me but it’s true and something needs to be done so I laud this.

I heard about it 30 years ago

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Post by galangalalgol »

tadfisher wrote: post #406
hintymad wrote: post #398

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Honest question: when Europeans give so much power to EU and usually favor regulations by the government, isn't it natural that the government will try to implement more control? And it looks EU officials do not have to accountable for anything. They will not suffer personally even when their policies wreck havoc. I don't quite understand why Europeans can trust EU at all. Case in point, EU HQs shut down its air cond…

> Europeans give so much power to EU and usually favor regulations by the government This antecedent is far too broad; what regulations, benefiting whom? It's pretty obvious in this case that the majority of their representatives do not favor at least this type of regulation. In other cases, the majority of representatives favor regulation which prevents private corporations from selling their PII to the highest bidd…

The question I would ask next is that if a majority don't actually favor it, who will vote to sanction member countries that refuse to implement it in protest? Giving a central authority significant power likenthis inevitably leads to autocracy per Montesquieu.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

tetha wrote: post #371
bluescrn wrote: post #307

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They thought climate change was the next war-level crisis, and worked towards that. They didn't anticipate the Ukraine invasion, or the Middle East blowing up again.

> They thought climate change was the next war-level crisis, and worked towards that. Did we though? At least in Germany a bunch of anti-climate-change projects and changes have been and are being canceled and we're going back to coal and diesel. It seems we're optimizing to have no results and negative progress at the moment.

Germany dismantled their nuclear reactors because russia would always be a reliable partner. European leaders have been absolute traitors.

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Post by [deleted] »

teekert wrote: post #38

This is a nice piece of democracy right here: "a measure it had rejected twice in March. Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes. As a result, mass scanning is now permitted again until 2028." "Oh no we can't get a majority to…

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Post by sebastiennight »

CrisMystik wrote: post #138

One thing that should be noted is that, since the Parliament has been able to approve an amendment by absolute majority (which explicitly excludes E2E chats), the procedure is not over and the law is still not enacted, a third reading is still needed, after negotiations with the Council and the Commission, and in this case the Parliament will be able to reject the act by a simple majority

I was looking for information about this. So this new reading and vote would happen after summer?
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