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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Lomlioto »

highmastdon wrote: post #837
Lomlioto wrote: post #713

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Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

Speak facts. Don't hide behind morality this, care that, environment and virtue signalling... Tell me, what is the factual things Grok model does wrong and is factual incorrect?

I don't hide behind morality. This shows how different our values are, eh?

I follow climate change, social unrest, philosophical question of good/bad, religions, beliefes etc. since i'm 12?

I became a nihilist with 16.

I have put my own life in danger at least twice to save another human.

I read books and understood there messages like 1984, brave new world etc.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dimgl »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Refreshing to see this be the top comment, thank you. I agree.

To answer your question, Grok 4.5 seems to be pretty good at simple tasks and gets even some of the trickier ones correct but it tends to struggle with bigger codebases that aren't very uniform. I've noticed that it uses a fraction of the tokens to get to solutions which is really impressive compared to GLM 5.2 which tends to be an overthinker.

I'm not sure if Grok 4.5 will become part of my stack yet but I am genuinely impressed with what it's been able to achieve.

I'm also unsure if Grok 4.5 is the same base as Grok 4.3. Maybe it is and the data they've used in pretraining is additive (the Cursor data) but it feels like a completely different model than the previous Grok versions.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Lalabadie »

scarab92 wrote: post #410
NelsonMinar wrote: post #399

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People give them money because of the moral stance. They are either actively fine with the CSAM or just don't care.

Give me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that. So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.

I think you'll need to give people an example of where you think the center is.

(And be prepared for a lesson in political literacy from outside of the US)

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Lomlioto »

w4yai wrote: post #768
Lomlioto wrote: post #713

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Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

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Why would I be brainwashed? Just because you frame it like this, doesn't mean anything.

You could put out real arguments instead of just attacking.

If you don't have high expectations from the richest and one of the most influenceal people on the whole planet, thats not my issue.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by [deleted] »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dana-s »

peab wrote: post #867
zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

Where are you getting that from, that they're ok with CSAM? I think they've been clear that they want to follow the law. Every image gen provider struggles with this. I worked for an image gen app years before it became popular (Wombo dream) - it's a hard problem to solve, there are sick people out there.

I believe it's from the reported usage of it to undress children(making realistic images that are pretty much CSAM or CSAM-like), which was allowed in the public version of grok and seen in twitter, now it's behind grok pro but still able to generate such. That's from memory so some aspects may be wrong.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by matthewdgreen »

declan_roberts wrote: post #544
sidibe wrote: post #356

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Profitability is never a constraint for Elon companies. He has always been able to be able to extract money from the middle east, government, banks, retail investors (or these same parties through his other companies) whenever they need more. His net worth is orders of magnitude bigger than the cumulative profits his companies have ever produced (even if you only count the profitable quarters)

It's really easy to do this actually. You just create cars that drive themselves and rockets that land themselves and people start throwing money at you.

I paid for a car that drives itself in 2018 and I haven’t received it. Any updates?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nsonha wrote: post #608
zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

> okay with CSAM based on what? I tried and it could not even generate adult nudity. Earlier Grok Image was poorly censored but now they have their filters in place.

You tried = anecdotal, it's still happening, their response was slow, and it shouldn't have been possible to begin with.

https://www.wired.com/story/grok-is-still-hosting-sexualized...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Alpha3031 »

Gareth321 wrote: post #678
emil-lp wrote: post #669

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The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument. If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

"Everything is political" is what people say when they want everything to be political. We don't have to make LLM models political. You do it because you enjoy soapboxing. It's perfectly reasonable for people who enjoy this technology to ask you to keep it in spaces which are dedicated to soapboxing, like Reddit. Not HackerNews.

I feel like when they decided the model was "too woke" so it would be a good idea to make it "MechaHitler" was when the not making it political ship sailed.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by AlecSchueler »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here.

Is it really "depressing?" I get that it could be " annoying"if you don't want to read about politics ever at all. But depressing is difficult to imagine.

Honestly, knowing that people are still put off by an LLM that's been engineered to promote disinformation about things like "white genocide" is one of the few reassurances I have about the tech community these days.

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