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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Complaining about people being political is equally pathetic. If it bothers you just ignore it

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by JV00 »

smotched wrote: post #318
minraws wrote: post #70

So basically since US stopped OpenAI and Anthropic for 4 weeks, it allowed all other AI Labs to almost catch up. GLM 5.2 caught up, Cognition RL'ed Kimi 2.7, Grok 4.5 is out, DeepSeek v4 GA is out in a few days... What is the moat? and why should we pay for the expensive tokens today instead of just waiting a few months/weeks and getting AI for significantly cheaper? I must say, I feel like companies spending Million…

just because one model is stopped from being released publicly doesnt mean they completely stop. Anthropic has moved on to training the next gen model months ago.

Non-US Anthropic employees had to stop using mythos/fable though, so that may have slowed them down a bit

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Lomlioto »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech?

My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry.

People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job.

I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes.

But there is also a huge difference between having the option between 5 different very good models and just excluding one vs. being forced to use something because there is no alternative.

I'm a hardcore nerd. I'm so hardcore, i consider not just the tech itself but the environment of the tech.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by pjerem »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #682
satvikpendem wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I too am interested in the technical aspects, not how many guardrails it can hit against Fable, like, who cares? As long as it can get me (more) uncensored access without killing itself over biology or chemistry, it's a good model to me. I can't believe the top comment is about some political reply garbage, as if that actually matters day to day for coders; in reality I want to get my work done.

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I'll take the downvotes with you, but I feel that you have to know that you are not alone thinking like this.

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Post by Pay08 »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #682
satvikpendem wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I too am interested in the technical aspects, not how many guardrails it can hit against Fable, like, who cares? As long as it can get me (more) uncensored access without killing itself over biology or chemistry, it's a good model to me. I can't believe the top comment is about some political reply garbage, as if that actually matters day to day for coders; in reality I want to get my work done.

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Post by pjerem »

jack_pp wrote: post #696
emil-lp wrote: post #669

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The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument. If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

Wake up, the people in power are corrupt regardless of their political orientation. There are no saints in politics. This has been true since times immemorial with few exceptions.

That's the worst excuse to be non-political. I hate most politicians, but you can't just act like they are equally harmful. Some politicians are way, way more harmful than the others, even the corrupted ones.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

simianwords wrote: post #636
observationist wrote: post #341

The anti-Musk stuff would qualify as brigading in nearly any other community. It shocks me that people have such a visceral, irrational engagement with anything in Musk's orbit. I probably shouldn't have, but I expected better from the HN crowd for some reason. It's an excellent model. GPT 5.4/5.5 level, some things better, others not, but extremely fast. A wonderful technical improvement. If a Chinese company or ran…

50 years ago we had religion for people to have something common to believe in. Now we have this. I think most people want a common enemy/scapegoat and an in-group presence. I doubt its about morals but more about self identity. A poster who reactively posts "but Elon is a Nazi!!1!" does it not do out of care for Jews but more for establishing their own self identity. Within the mini-group, the poster aims to get the…

> It is absolutely not a moral thing because Natanyahu himself wrote a tweet vindicating Elon

A corrupt war criminal who regularly gatekeeps Jewish identity based on perceived loyalty courts a billionaire. HN applauds, sneers at people with eyes.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by figmert »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Whether you like it or not, software is inherently political. Most aspects of our lives are. The fact you're using GLM there's some underlying political reason (yes, my guess in this case is cost, which is also political) and mentioning it's Chinese backed is equally political. You may not care, but it's political.

When a model calls itself mechahitler and says there is a white genocide when there so obviously isn't, of course it becomes political. If we are not okay with supporting fascists, then in my opinion, we as humans are obliged to call out the issues in the same breath as the technical issues/advancements.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by inkysigma »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously interfered with the model development in ways that are quite ridiculous compared to other labs to insert his political opinion.

I don't think you need to somehow get personally offended by every Tesla on the road but it seems ridiculous to ask people to not be political about a such obviously political figure.

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Post by bandrami »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares

Existentially weary infosec guy voice I promise you some of us care, and the rest of you will realize why in a year or so

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