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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by 3abiton »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

> I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s44387-025-00048-0

Large language models reflect the ideology of their creators.

It has very interesting insight from analysis of LLMs political leanings. Spoiler alert: they all have political bias.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by benjamoon »

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I see a Tesla drive by? HN was so much better than this.

Where have the hardcore nerds gone? How is the model, is it good at coding? What does this mean for competition and pricing?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by AgentMasterRace »

tengbretson wrote: post #99
BoumTAC wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grok Build sucks compare to composer 2.5. Just use compose 2.5 and you'll have basically unlimited usage on the 40$ plan.

It is hard to evaluate the model performance of Composer 2.5 when Cursor's harness is so awful compared to the others on the market.

The harness is commonly ranked one of the best. what specifically had you hating it?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by AgentMasterRace »

bhouston wrote: post #67
BoumTAC wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grok Build sucks compare to composer 2.5. Just use compose 2.5 and you'll have basically unlimited usage on the 40$ plan.

Every time I use Composer 2.5 I have to spend a bunch of time cleaning up its mistakes. It is unusable compared to GPT 5.4 or 5.5. My time is more valuable that I will use a model that doesn’t f** up my code base.

give it a structured plan and it it does really well compared to similar priced models. I'd never use it for anything that required heavy reasoning and it's not built for that.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by nkzd »

Pricing looks very enticing. I don't care about politics, but if you can get SOTA model for 50% cheaper, why not try it?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by satvikpendem »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Thank you. I too am interested in the technical aspects, not how many guardrails it can hit against Fable, like, who cares? As long as it can get me (more) uncensored access without killing itself over biology or chemistry, it's a good model to me.

I can't believe the top comment is about some political reply garbage, as if that actually matters day to day for coders; in reality I want to get my work done.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

MithrilTuxedo wrote: post #518
rdbl27 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

That's the claim, and it's a belief that's self-fulfilling prophecy, like saying all politicians are corrupt. If you can convince everyone that everyone is corrupt, it hurts anyone who isn't corrupt. You hear people preferring those who have no shame about their corruption, based on the premise that those who aren't overtly corrupt must be more sinister and dangerous if they hide their corruption so well. It's a race…

No, that's not the same at all, because it is possible to be not corrupt while it is impossible to be unbiased.

I think there are important differences between bias and dishonesty/propaganda though, and that's where your argument is still valid.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by throwaway_10948 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

agreed; i am not saying that we should not care about morals, but HN could really strive to be one level higher in its knowledge of ethics than 'using grok4.5 is supporting $evil', because if you go that chain then 'using A\ is supporting spacex/elon hence A\ models are poison' also seemingly stands

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by emil-lp »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up.

You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument.

If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by satvikpendem »

zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

As long as it's good at coding, who cares? Anthropic are far more shady.
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