Wait, do people now have X Derangement Syndrome. Like they can't even think or see the letter X?
Not wanting to be affiliated with Elon Musk or his business enterprises is not "derangement."
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#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
By not using them on something political? Why do I care when I'll just use it to generate code?
You might not care but I care if my money is going to funding an unusually evil person.
Honestly, I don't think Elon Musk can fairly be described as more evil than Dario Amodei or Sam Altman.
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> Claude just gave up and did an HTML/CSS implementation but I insisted on native SwiftUI+Metal. That sounds very odd and very contrary to my experience. You don’t say which model you actually used, but I never had opus 4.8 (or sonnet for that matter) ignore which language/stack i wanted to use.
It never happened to me, but Claude routinely ignores the single line I have in CLAUDE.md, so I wouldn't be entirely surprised.
I stopped updating CLAUDE.md because I felt like Claude always ignored it. But over time I noticed there is still times (especially during planning and review) where it's good to maintain the official document as a reference. As opposed to memory.md or manual edits.
Re: Grok 4.5
#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even without the politics, Elon has shown that he will weaponize his platforms against people/companies he personally doesn't like (e.g. specific bans/demotions to external sites like Substack and Bluesky). Using Grok is therefore a supply chain risk and it's not nearly good enough to offset that risk.
As opposed to what was happening before, on Twitter?
Nobody said that Twitter wasn't poorly-managed. All types of petty squabbling are a liability nightmare for consumers of software services.
Re: Grok 4.5
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Is uncensored a selling point? What do people use uncensored Grok for (like, real use cases) that they can't or won't use other LLMs for? Literally the only thing I can think of is generating bad porn of unconsenting people.
Some have mentioned legal work. OpenAI and Anhropic models would refuse to work on cases where something immoral happened.
Thanks, that's does sound like a tricky edge case for the other "censored" companies.
Re: Grok 4.5
#406Every time I get excited about Grok’s performance on benchmarks and demo videos, I test it myself and end up disappointed. I'll give this one a try with a grain of salt and lowering my levels of expectations
I am trying to benchmark it now, but:
- It doesn't seem available in EU (?)
- Using a VPN seems to sort of fix it, but it's way slower than I expected, when everyone was praising it, it feels like the speed is slowly ramping up
- Cost is $2/$6 for Re: Grok 4.5
#407The anti-Musk stuff would qualify as brigading in nearly any other community. It shocks me that people have such a visceral, irrational engagement with anything in Musk's orbit. I probably shouldn't have, but I expected better from the HN crowd for some reason. It's an excellent model. GPT 5.4/5.5 level, some things better, others not, but extremely fast. A wonderful technical improvement. If a Chinese company or ran…
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A very quick search showed that USAID had extensive ethical compromise throughout the organization.
Were we supposed to just subsidize that forever?
It did some good, yes, but from what I can tell, it was better to shut it down.
That's just one example, but frankly I get the feeling that if I dug into more examples they'd end up the same: easily explained and not entirely shocking.
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#408I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.
I think the moralities of all the big heads in AI are questionable. The training corpus is largely stolen, and they are all in inescapable debt but keep going. But at this point, their products are so useful that almost nobody is willing to sit back and wait for a "morally acceptable" LLM to come around (which would inevitably be inferior).
I can't comment on CSAM though - if X.ai really is "okay" with it then I'll agree with you that they're more immoral than the others.
Re: Grok 4.5
#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is uncensored a selling point? What do people use uncensored Grok for (like, real use cases) that they can't or won't use other LLMs for? Literally the only thing I can think of is generating bad porn of unconsenting people.
I mean absolutely read any thread about Fabel and it's fill with people complaining about how it instantly downgrades or refuses if anything has CVE in the name. Other then that there is the whole alignment issue. Models that are 'nerfed' in just about any manner tend to exhibit reduced performance is seemingly unrelated areas. That said Grok doesn't appear to be close enough to the frontier for that to matter. Maybe…
Thanks for the reply. I only use local/open models, and don't use them for security work, so I don't have much exposure to frontier alignment and Fable/Mythos stuff beyond what I read from others here on HN.
Re: Grok 4.5
#410I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.
People give them money because of the moral stance. They are either actively fine with the CSAM or just don't care.
Give me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that.
So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.