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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

w4yai wrote: post #768
Lomlioto wrote: post #713

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

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Yeah, since when did he get to decide things associated with the Nazi saluting tech trillionaire is low morality? The guy who is openly manipulating markets for his advantage should get the same respect and dignity everyone else does!

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by highmastdon »

zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

1. intelligence to token-use ratio is much better than the frontier models 2. hallucination rate is MUCH lower than OpenAI, Google and Deepseek models 3. the cost for output tokens is much lower than Anthropic models while near same intelligence and task completion 4. task completion time and success is on par with Opus 4.8 Max, but 3.5x less time used

Especially 2. you're probably more willing to allow OpenAI to bankrupt your morality, than face the facts of the model itself

Overall, Grok models are more factual and less politically influenced than OpenAI ones.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by tene80i »

CapsAdmin wrote: post #823
tene80i wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people not to be political is a political act – specifically, one that accepts whatever comes, doesn't care about power, is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly. Those are your politics, or at least sufficiently so that you're happy to park those issues while discussing tech. They aren't everyone's. You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them.

> is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly This is an assumption. How about neutral, or even hopeless? There's also the position of just not caring because you think it doesn't affect you. It feels a bit like saying anyone who does not want to fight or talk about a war are on the enemies side. > You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them. This also feels like an odd thing to say. If you're go…

You're right about neutral/hopeless. I meant "happy" in the sense of "OK with / resigned to let exist". Not necessarily "this is great".

The meat-eating morality point I think is also an interesting example. It could affect you negatively, but they strongly believe it to be immoral and are witnessing you committing what they believe to be an immoral act, so should they be forced to be silent on the subject? Why? Whose beliefs and preferences win? If they're your friends, you reckon with the issue and ideally come to a space of agreement or cordially agree to disagree. Or your mind is changed! Or theirs! But if the groups dig in ("We can't let this go", "We just want to eat meat and not feel bad about it") then that's a friendship-ending juncture, isn't it? Or you agree not to share that sort of space/context any more. But it's also different with friends vs an open space, which this is.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by bilsbie »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Rocket man bad

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by farfatched »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

+1. I come to HN for technical content.

I also seek political commentary, but not here. That isn't HNs strength.

> Where have the hardcore nerds gone?

I'd guess they avoid posts they predict to be overwhelmingly political.

Why do the political posters post? They want to influence, of course! And HN is open. So posts that can be made political, will be.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by bojangleslover »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Ironically, removing political comments from HN would be a great use case for a tiny local model or even just an embedding model.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by highmastdon »

Lomlioto wrote: post #713
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

Speak facts. Don't hide behind morality this, care that, environment and virtue signalling... Tell me, what is the factual things Grok model does wrong and is factual incorrect?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by braebo »

seer wrote: post #807
gabriel-uribe wrote: post #261

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Womp. Didn't see this anywhere else. No longer feels as inexpensive. Will likely just include this in the rolodex of <200k context tasks, like being one of my review agents.

Yeah but depends how you use it - with superpowers and it’s prevalence of splitting things into smaller focused subagents - this could seriously reduce costs … I wish my company gave me more options than just using Claude to test these things out

Claude Fable and Opus 4.8 1M are by far the best, smartest models. Anything else is a downgrade so you’re not missing anything.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by spider-mario »

CapsAdmin wrote: post #823
tene80i wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people not to be political is a political act – specifically, one that accepts whatever comes, doesn't care about power, is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly. Those are your politics, or at least sufficiently so that you're happy to park those issues while discussing tech. They aren't everyone's. You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them.

> is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly This is an assumption. How about neutral, or even hopeless? There's also the position of just not caring because you think it doesn't affect you. It feels a bit like saying anyone who does not want to fight or talk about a war are on the enemies side. > You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them. This also feels like an odd thing to say. If you're go…

> This is an assumption. How about neutral, or even hopeless? There's also the position of just not caring because you think it doesn't affect you.

Still effectively the same point.

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