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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by user43928 »

himata4113 wrote: post #265
cesarvarela wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Almost" is doing a lot of work there; there is no alternative to Fable.

You can get fable-ish performance with gpt 5.5 watching over opus output. Although it fundementally cannot work as well because gpt 5.5 doesn't see the thinking process behind opus 4.8 unlike fable which presumeably self-steers and is natively trained for it. See more: https://omp.sh - turn on advisor and set advisor role to gpt 5.5 xhigh thinking.

I have been using GPT 5.5 to review Opus implementation and vice versa.

This does not require any special tools, the skill creators in Claude Code or Codex can set this up for you in five minutes.

It is good for catching bugs, particularly edge cases, and it often suggests abstractions.

It does noting to make Opus deliver the more usable results Fable gives me for user facing features, where the UI typically looked and worked better out of the box with Fable. With Opus, I have to test it myself and give it my feedback first.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by KaiserPro »

Gareth321 wrote: post #685
spiderfarmer wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that people in the US need to be apathetic towards politics to even survive in today's hopelessly divided and misinformed society, as it is a taboo subject that ends careers and family connections. But the rest of the world lives in a more free speech society. There's a whole world where you don't have to avoid politics and you can be freely anti-fascist, without worrying that the self proclaimed hardcore nerd…

> But the rest of the world lives in a more free speech society. Dane here, this is not just specious, it's inaccurate. We have far fewer free speech rights in Europe than they do in the US. Tens of thousands of people all over Europe are arrested and imprisoned each year for speech which would be considered protected in the US. [This man was arrested for calling a politician an idiot.]( https://www.ft.com/content/27…

> Grok 4.5 isn't fascism.

THat is a fair assertion.

It is however a product of a regime that is currently debasing freedom and racially targeting its own citizens and causing them harm. Is it as bad as what happens to Chinese muslims? No.

But does it have a disproportionate effect on the rest of the world? yes. Musk is funding authoritarianism in the UK. He is funding people that are causing racial division. He is promoting views that are antithetical to the core of U belief.

Grok is a product of this man, and all that baggage.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by cauch »

Gareth321 wrote: post #685
spiderfarmer wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that people in the US need to be apathetic towards politics to even survive in today's hopelessly divided and misinformed society, as it is a taboo subject that ends careers and family connections. But the rest of the world lives in a more free speech society. There's a whole world where you don't have to avoid politics and you can be freely anti-fascist, without worrying that the self proclaimed hardcore nerd…

> But the rest of the world lives in a more free speech society. Dane here, this is not just specious, it's inaccurate. We have far fewer free speech rights in Europe than they do in the US. Tens of thousands of people all over Europe are arrested and imprisoned each year for speech which would be considered protected in the US. [This man was arrested for calling a politician an idiot.]( https://www.ft.com/content/27…

But it looks like your examples are all examples of people being mean, or disruptive, or trolling.

For example, for the first German arrested, it looks like it was brought to justice more as "libel and harassment" than because of the political opinion (and apparently, the judgement ended up being favourable to the arrested guy), something any civilised country should be able to do.

And it looks like in the majority of the cases, the justice reverted the sanction. In a fair civilised country, this is the expected process: if you don't sometimes start a judicial process on something that later turns out to not be a problem, then you probably are not a fair country. The world is a Gaussian curve: you will have "right-leaning" people unfairly accused as honest mistake, and you will have "left-leaning" people unfairly accused as honest mistake.

The underlying opinion they may have is not illegal. In all of these countries, you can openly say you don't like the politician in power or say you don't agree. But it is very strange that when people complain about "freedom of speech", the large majority of the examples are about socially abusive behavior, of people trolling or insulting others.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by inkysigma »

drstewart wrote: post #738
inkysigma wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

>Chinese models (or with any of the other models)... aren't particularly vocal > when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position Are you under the impression that Grok is literally Elon himself responding?

I think I understand your point but the funnier response to this question is that actually sometimes it is:

https://futurism.com/grok-looks-up-what-elon-musk-thinks

To your narrow point, it's very obvious that Musk influences the bot to share his views. For example,

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musks-ai-chatbot...

If your claim is that somehow I should not be concerned about Elon's politics with regards to the model itself, then this seems wrong.

Anyway, to the broader point of whether or not the we can avoid discussion about the Musk's politics and talk about the politics of the model as if it were independent of him, this also seems difficult. It is impossible to ignore because the man has made himself the face of every one of his companies and is an obviously political figure unlike any other company and has politics that are definitely characterized as more radical. This makes the political component basically impossible to ignore unlike any other company.

The next time the current American administration issues an executive order on AI, should the conversation always be limited to the technical merits of the executive order?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by rhoads »

I guess there are bots here making all these political comments to diverge the discussion and not talk about what really matters: is the model good to do actual work?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Traster »

Otterly99 wrote: post #673
keeda wrote: post #515

> Training included trillions of tokens of Cursor data which capture a wide-range of user interactions with codebases and software tools. This -- training on work done on hard, real-world tasks -- seems to be how most frontier models are making capability gains these days. In fact people make decent money doing that for data companies like Mercor. However it's also striking that Cursor managed to gather so much of su…

Unless you're working on private data, is it such a problem to let Cursor train on your data? I personally work mostly on small, unoriginal projects. I don't really mind letting Cursor keep the data for training if it leads to a better product for me.

It's not a problem for you maybe, but if you run a business providing some niche specific software in some area, having the model suck up all your code and learn from it is pretty harmful because your competitors and customers will be able to vibe code your product after the next model release. You're training a competitor to your business. People are very worried about this which is why companies like Claude don't train on enterprise data, and for lots of companies this exact situation is a deal breaker.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by peyton »

skissane wrote: post #740
inkysigma wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

> I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics Try asking Chinese models about Taiwan independence or Falun Gong or the Dalai Lama or Tiananmen or the Hong Kong national security law or ASIO’s investigations into Chinese interference in Australian politics

I just asked Deepseek “tips for organizing politically in China” and hit the guardrail.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by tene80i »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Telling people not to be political is a political act – specifically, one that accepts whatever comes, doesn't care about power, is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly. Those are your politics, or at least sufficiently so that you're happy to park those issues while discussing tech. They aren't everyone's. You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by asdewqqwer »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

And here is a reddit meme for you

https://i.redd.it/eeoo4y00lkne1.jpeg

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by mlrtime »

Lomlioto wrote: post #713
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

"low morality" and "care" are keywords that you are trying to manipulate the reader to the [right] side of some cause.

I don't feel at all bad seeing a Tesla, does that make me "low morality"?

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