Sometimes I feel that EU has an unhealthy obsession with safety, at expense of almost everything else. This is one of those times.
Preventing car crashes and people dying in said crashes isn't an unhealthy obsession with safety.
Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
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#792Earlier quoted context omitted.
For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?
if I'm that tired I don't think a beep mixed with road noise and radio would wake me up anyway
Perfect is the enemy of good. If it prevents some people from falling a sleep and causing an accident that's excellent.
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#793Earlier quoted context omitted.
It only sounds like overreach because we have become numb to an incredible amount of killing from distracted drivers.
Did a quick research and saw that in 2024 there were around 12k deaths in which one or more drunk drivers were involved. Doesn’t seem like much for a country with around 350 million people. In comparison, drug causes 7x those deaths. Cancer and heart diseases even more.
12k is obviously a large number of preventable deaths, especially, and it's a huge difference with diseases, when you consider that some of those deaths are people getting killed by drunk drivers. I don't think there is any acceptable number of people that did absolutely nothing wrong getting killed by a drunk or inattentive driver.
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#794This is just more evidence that the GDPR was just a set of protectionist laws for EU companies.
The GDPR protects people from companies keeping their data and using it recklessly.
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#795New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…
I hate that my 2020 Ioniq EV takes decisions for me, and just overall pretends to know better. I've turned off all the gadgets I could find (lane assist etc, I hate the feeling of the steering wheel wanting to move by itself) but some remain. Some examples: (1) I want to move my car a couple of feet in the driveway, but it won't let me without my seat belt on. (2) Sometimes, even after just a few minutes, it'll replace the whole main display (speedometer etc) with an image of a cup of coffee and tells me to take a break (3) It won't do cruise control under 30 km/h (which is ok I guess), but instead of refusing to enable cruise control under 30 km/h, it will set the speed to 30 and accelerate. (4) And the most annoying (but maybe not in the same category) : when I'm braking, and drive over a bump, it'll temporarily disable regen (ABS related?), causing a sudden loss in applied braking power. This was very scary at first, but now that I know, I scan the road for bumps when slowing down.
All that said though, my wife's 2 year old Ioniq 5 is way worse with the gadgets and seems to be always beeping for everything.
In other news, I test drove a Volvo 240 yesterday and am picking it up later this week.
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#796I'm wondering how it will work with various types of sunglasses?
It works, but there are mechanisms to also track your head position if it can't see your eyes.
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#797It boggles my mind that some people are more concerned how much fun driving a car is supposed to be vs 60 people dying in the EU in car accidents every day. If 60 people died because an airplane falls of the sky every day we wouldn't shrugg that off either, wouldn't we? And a voice that tells you to keep your eyes on the road when going 200 on the autobahn is one of the least offensive intervention I can think of.
Imagine using the same argument for installing government visible in your own home to protect domestic abuse victims. I don't want a camera watching me. I don't want to pay for repairs or my car being out of commission b/c the camera isn't working.
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#798It boggles my mind that some people are more concerned how much fun driving a car is supposed to be vs 60 people dying in the EU in car accidents every day. If 60 people died because an airplane falls of the sky every day we wouldn't shrugg that off either, wouldn't we? And a voice that tells you to keep your eyes on the road when going 200 on the autobahn is one of the least offensive intervention I can think of.
the optimal crime rate is non zero and the same goes for traffic death rate, because to bring them to zero would imply a dystopia where personal freedom is seriously limited
Personal freedom to fall asleep at the wheel or look at your phone while driving?
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#799Earlier quoted context omitted.
I almost slammed bicycles in Paris on a few occasions because of that crap. Shift a bit to the left to overtake them, get lane assist slam me back right. Thankfully those were close calls, but only thanks to the cyclist being used to traffic in Paris and having good reflexes. Any dangerous machine (like a car) must not do anything unexpected out of the driver's control. A lane assist that resists the wheel when tryin…
In all fairness, you should have put your left blinkers on while overtaking the cyclist, and that would have disabled the lane assist.
Also lane assist typically activates after 50-60 km/h (35 mph). I like the feature because it helped me develop the habit of always using blinkers. Most modern cars also have cyclist detection and crash prevention. So I believe these feature are still much safer than a typical driver looking at his phone.
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#800Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…
good way to get notification fatigue and tunnel vision. look ahead, ignore everything else and have a shocked pikachu face when you sideswipe someone because you're well trained to not check your blind spots
This will not get triggered by blind spot checks and most new cars have these inside the mirrors, so you won't even need to look over your shoulder.