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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Feels like it'd be easier to differentiate jingles compared to different words of a language you don't know. You can vary intonations etc, but by that point you're back to jingles.

How are you going to look up a jingle in the manual? Should they be sorted by pitch or by tempo?

Yeah I guess this is a legit problem, but also applies to foreign language warnings. Especially ones who have manual written in foreign glyphs.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?

It's so incredible the difference in mindset across the Atlantic. In the US, it is MY job and no one else's to make sure I don't fall asleep driving my own car. In the same way it's my job to make sure I don't leave my stove on and burn down the apartment building. Should we also install cameras on every stove in every apartment? If the US government tried to force-install cameras into our cars to watch us, there'd b…

I'm fairly sure you have cops, driving licenses, traffic stops, DUI etc. So no. It's not your job alone to "drive safely", you are literally controlling tons of mass moving at high speeds that can trivially (and very frequently) kill innocent bystanders that did NOT ask to be hit by a car, or get into an accident. Why is your "freedom" above their basic safety?

If anything, the incredible thing is this "me-only" mindset that many have.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?

Death by a thousand cuts. It never stops at just one thing.

Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. No, they even mandate fastening the seatbelts! Oh my, this tyranny!

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Is 2008 a good cut-off? My 2016 BMW doesn't really have any annoying electronics or nannies compared to my 2005 model (other than electronic power steering :))

I drive a 2019 Passat, with lane assist, tempomat, road sign detection etc - it only beeps when there is no more washer fluid (but then it does beep every fcking 5 minutes - easily the most annoying feature of this car).

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Death by a thousand cuts. It never stops at just one thing.

Car: You look tired. There's a motel in 3 miles. Car: You appear to be suffering from acne. Try Zit-away, available at the convenience store in 2.4 kilometers. Car: Facial recognition failed. Car is now disabled. Contact your car dealer to reenable vehicle.

The last one sounds eerily similar to what a for-profit company would do in case of a terminated subscription, that would be perfectly fine in the US, but would get purged by fire in the EU by proper laws that meant to protect the public.

I guess it's just hard to imagine that the government may work FOR the people?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Boeing found out the problem with "beeping" alarms. The first time they installed a warning horn, I think it was the stall warning, it was a big success. So, they started adding different horns for other situations. At one point, in an emergency, the pilot got confused about which horn meant what, and had an accident. So now, Boeing replaced horns with a voice, like "pull up". Sounds obvious, right? But car beeps gen…

> But car beeps generally give no clue what they're beeping about.

Can't speak to all vehicles, but my VW ID3 clearly indicates what the issue is on the dashboard.

So if it's the lane-keeping assist it highlights which lane(s) it is monitoring and it provides a written prompt on screen (e.g. "drive in the centre of the lane") if it's not happy.

If the speed limiter is on it shows the current signed speed limit in the dashboard and it flashes that speed limit if I am driving over the speed limit.

If the car believes I am not concentrating on the road and instead interacting too much with the touch-screen it puts a large warning in the middle of the touchscreen to pay attention to the road and prevents me using the infotainment system for a few second.

I'd be surprised if most other modern/new cars didn't also include instrument display feedback like this alongside audible warnings.

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For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?

if I'm that tired I don't think a beep mixed with road noise and radio would wake me up anyway

There are plenty of cars with similar features already. If anything, they make you aware that you are tired, so that you may choose to have a rest at the next stop or something.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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>...until the engine is turned off again Modern electric Volkswagens (and some other brands) have this amazingly awful feature where lifting your ass off the driver's seat turns off the "ignition". The car just shuts off immediately, AC turns off, CarPlay disconnects, those driver settings reset. Even if I sit back one second later.

...even while driving?

Fairly sure that it won't turn off while the wheels are spinning at any speed -- with the engine off, you also lose power steering in most cases and can trivially cause an accident. Car manufacturers are not this dumb.
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