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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Edible forms of cannabis raise heart rate and blood pressure substantially as well.

I think this is making the assumption that temporally elevated HR and BP is bad.

Right, the rationale for why saunas and heat stress is good for you is specifically because it raises the heart rate.

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#92
post #27

I wonder about all the confounding effects. In my country (famous for cannabis to be easy to come by (for decades already), and I saw many smoke from age 16 up as I grew up in 90's, 00's). I have always felt that the heavy cannabis smokers had something to compensate; stress, unrest, impending depression, friction with parents. It was never the healthy sporty types with fulfilling relationships, good grades or a nice…

It was never the healthy sporty types with fulfilling relationships, good grades or a nice career that smoke cannabis heavily (like daily)

^^ many of those are boring people.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

#93
post #73

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It's a fair assumption being a known potential cause of death. Of course I'm now assuming death is bad.

By that argumentation sport is bad and a potential death risk factor, it also elevates heart rate and blood pressure!

Not to mention art, sex, walking, etc, etc

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

#94
post #79

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I think this is making the assumption that temporally elevated HR and BP is bad.

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> lazy pothead

But not all potheads are lazy, and many non-potheads are.

Media tropes sure are great at propagating myths and generating false stigma, which creates a chilling effect for ever correcting the former.

https://thereitis.org/mr-x-by-carl-sagan

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#95
post #68

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Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

That's interesting and probably an argument for pro-legalization.

Were I to pick a gateway drug into cocaine, it would be alcohol. It becomes a way to infuse more energy in a later night, which is usually one of alcoholic revelry.

When cannabis is just in a store and it's the only thing there, many potheads just stay in the pothead bubble.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

#96
post #21

Some commenters here talking about anxiety, but I think the bigger cause, which many people don't know, is that THC significantly increases your heart rate despite it's usual characterization as a depressant. If I recall correctly (big "if" considering the circumstances hah) my heart rate after smoking would go up by 10-20 BPM (from 65-70 to 80-90) while still feeling relaxed; ~~finding some numbers on this from a re…

There's more going on here than just the substance's effect.

There's a mind body connection that an altered state can throw into disarray.

Under the influence of cannabis, one may be a lot more aware of physical pain, dehydration, and so on. The key word is aware. Suddenly becoming aware of the fact that you are stressed out, you are carrying tension, can lead to something of a latent processing effect of some of these suppressed or physically felt emotions.

However, if you're generally not tense, ingesting cannabis itself does not always raise the heart rate. I can validate this myself right now, given I wear an Apple Watch and can vaporize cannabis. Looking at my historical data, there is no relationship, and my resting heart rate remains in the 40s.

It's anecdotal, but at the same time we need to be careful with something that acts on the physical, the mental, and dare I say it, the spiritual. If we focus too much on one dimension, we lose the important synergy from processing all dimensions.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is making the assumption that temporally elevated HR and BP is bad.

Right, the rationale for why saunas and heat stress is good for you is specifically because it raises the heart rate.

Hot sauna is often cautioned against for those with existing cardiac or vascular problems, with some reason.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

#98
post #60

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I know you can't judge a study by its abstract, but they don't even mention the dosing mechanism, it's just "cannabis use".

That's not really a fair standard by which to judge the study, abstract or not. The dosing mechanism information was not present in the underlying dataset available to them: > This retrospective cohort study utilized the TriNetX health research network, which aggregates deidentified electronic medical records from health care organizations worldwide. > 1) The cannabis-user group with cannabis use diagnoses (Internati…

Did they though? Not accounting for confounding factors like “other drugs” seems to indicate it’s not about the risks of cannabis use so much as the risks from all sources that the average cannabis user faces. Using only cannabis might have zero impact or even be beneficial based on this evidence (if you hypothesize that most of the negative outcomes were cannabis+cocaine users, for instance).

Still good data, but I don’t think it’s predictive for what cannabis use leads to (unless you assume that taking up cannabis makes you proportionately more likely to also take up whatever the confounding factors were).

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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> researchers were unable to account for several potential confounding factors including the duration and amount of cannabis use or the use of tobacco or other drugs. Personally I'd wager a bet it's the tobacco and/or smoking that is the harmful part, but it kind of dumbfounds me they failed to account for "details" like "duration and amount of cannabis use", that feels like a very vital thing to control for. Nothing…

Do you smoke?

If people are this concerned about heart health, they'd be wise to continue a zero-covid lifestyle into 2026 and beyond, since each re-infection (which vaccines don't prevent) increases the risk of severe health outcomes, including heart-related issues among lots of others.

Yet I only see about .5-1% of the population in my area these days wearing any kind of mask/N95 respirator in public.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

#100
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

That's interesting and probably an argument for pro-legalization. Were I to pick a gateway drug into cocaine, it would be alcohol. It becomes a way to infuse more energy in a later night, which is usually one of alcoholic revelry. When cannabis is just in a store and it's the only thing there, many potheads just stay in the pothead bubble.

Exactly, alcohol IMHO affects judgment significantly worse than cannabis.
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