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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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What I find fascinating is how smokers rationalize their behaviour, e. g. "weed is harmless". When they compare it to fentanyl or heroine/cocaine, but compounds are never intrinsically harmless. But you can not get that message across most folks who are smoking weed. It's a somewhat similar issue, to some extent, when you look at sumo wrestlers. These have a significantly lower life expectancy on average than the res…

“They say coke kills but they don’t know when” is a refrain I have heard.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Just a few years ago cannabis was presented online as a miracle drug that could cure all physical and psychological diseases. Any criticism of the sacred cannabis was strictly forbidden and dissenters were burned alive in the figurative fire of social media. Interesting how times are changing.

See also: Bitcoin, Tesla/Musk, Apple

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Can you respect folks who are treating mental/emotional pain or just physical?

sure but you aren't going to help mental/emotional problems by getting stoned there are far better, legal supplements to treat that anyway, less expensive too dope activates AMPK in the brain/CNS and turns off AMPK in the body/heart it's an incredibly stupid thing to do to yourself (also why people get "the munchies") literally why it's called dope (before dope meant "cool")

> less expensive too

Marijuana is dirt cheap compared to any prescription medication, at least in the US.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Literally just wrote about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48794178 > I've smoked cannabis daily for maybe 15 years [...] Visited a cardiologist like two months ago and have perfectly fine heart despite the smoking.

Many people have had cardiologists say they have perfectly fine hearts go on to have heart attacks months later. My brother was one of these people. He was going in for spinal surgery, cardio said his heart was fine. Two weeks after surgery he was short of breath. Turns out he needed a triple bypass. And that was a physical change. Heart attacks happen because of electrocardiac issues as well.

Yeah, but I mean what can you do really? Many people have CAT scans then it turns out the technician/whoever missed something, or a surgeon forgets an instrument inside of the patients body, shit happens.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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What I find fascinating is how smokers rationalize their behaviour, e. g. "weed is harmless". When they compare it to fentanyl or heroine/cocaine, but compounds are never intrinsically harmless. But you can not get that message across most folks who are smoking weed. It's a somewhat similar issue, to some extent, when you look at sumo wrestlers. These have a significantly lower life expectancy on average than the res…

Or alcohol, or whatever others are doing. In Italy, where I live, people on the ‘left’ side of the political spectrum (let’s say ‘progressives’) tend to think it’s perfectly ok to smoke dope, irregardless of what any scientific study may or may not say. This seems very weird to me.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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for the anxiety crowd: don't buy street weed and avoid sativas

about the 'study': I do not trust anything that comes out of meta studies given how many base studies are found to be either garbage or very lacking in controls. And without knowing an accurate life history it is hard to rule out or quantify damages done much earlier in life.

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> stress, unrest, impending depression, friction with parents Well, Id guess these are reasons for any case of substance missuse?

I believe it’s an “artificial” reward mechanism for some people. The ability to control one’s own rewards is an easy habit to take up. If the rewards aren’t coming from externalities one needs to get them from somewhere.

If I had to guess, this is also the appeal of many video games.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Exactly. Being unable to account for this covariate (tobacco use) pretty much invalidates this analysis. The odds ratio for tobacco use is basically the same (3x). Also, title needs a 2025.

Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some.

(Sadly speaking from experience)

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post #31

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Many people have had cardiologists say they have perfectly fine hearts go on to have heart attacks months later. My brother was one of these people. He was going in for spinal surgery, cardio said his heart was fine. Two weeks after surgery he was short of breath. Turns out he needed a triple bypass. And that was a physical change. Heart attacks happen because of electrocardiac issues as well.

Did you brother have a Coronary Artery Calcium score scan?

No. This was about ten years ago. But not much has changed as I cannot get CAC score on Medicare even though they wanted to put me on statins. Cardiologist says I am fine. :/

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Literally just wrote about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48794178 > I've smoked cannabis daily for maybe 15 years [...] Visited a cardiologist like two months ago and have perfectly fine heart despite the smoking.

Many people have had cardiologists say they have perfectly fine hearts go on to have heart attacks months later. My brother was one of these people. He was going in for spinal surgery, cardio said his heart was fine. Two weeks after surgery he was short of breath. Turns out he needed a triple bypass. And that was a physical change. Heart attacks happen because of electrocardiac issues as well.

Information asymmetries are a bane in the medical doctor market.

Trust doctors with a grain of salt. There are many bad doctors that market themselves as good doctors, but are in reality terrible providers.

I recently had a scare, where I was encouraged by two separate general practitioners to seek immediate care with an ophthalmologist. I visited the ophthalmologist who I was referred to and they said everything was great, then booked my next appointment for a year out. Four days later, I started losing vision in my right eye.

After visiting a competent ophthalmologist, they were flabbergasted by what the other did. Ten appointments within 2 weeks later with the new specialist and we're undoing the damage that was easily preventable.

In short, some doctors are borderline DANGEROUS, but it's difficult to distinguish them with the ample legal protections they receive.

Anyhow, hope your brother recovered well.

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