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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by goodroot »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #56

Just a few years ago cannabis was presented online as a miracle drug that could cure all physical and psychological diseases. Any criticism of the sacred cannabis was strictly forbidden and dissenters were burned alive in the figurative fire of social media. Interesting how times are changing.

I'm not so sure.

There's always been a pragmatic center on cannabis, especially if you're somewhere where it's legalized.

In Canada, we have legal cannabis.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medica...

When it was legalized, there was a documentation push and clear presentation of the downsides. In fact, as above, the language is mostly presented in the negative.

This matches the general sentiment of the broad population.

And let's not conflate things. The article is discussing smoked cannabis. This does not invalidate the essential substance and benefit of the experience. If we remove the ingestion method from the basket of effects, it's a different discussion.

Not all positive, yet smoking is clearly not good for you.

Full stop, no matter what it is.

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Post by bushwart »

xprnio wrote: post #68
detourdog wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

Legal cannabis sends its greetings, if you're lucky enough to live in a country where you can acquire it without having make any shady acquaintances.

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Post by kranner »

johnisgood wrote: post #59
kranner wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edible forms of cannabis raise heart rate and blood pressure substantially as well.

I think this is making the assumption that temporally elevated HR and BP is bad.

It's a fair assumption being a known potential cause of death. Of course I'm now assuming death is bad.

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Post by nephihaha »

xprnio wrote: post #68
detourdog wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

I am aware of someone who does both, because I overheard someone discussing it with him. Cannabis will retain a black market when it becomes a government cash cow.

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Post by goodroot »

sandcat_ wrote: post #8

Not really related, but the other thing I found out recently that cannabis can cause is the worst panic attack I have ever experienced: a DPDR (derealization / depersonalization) panic attack. I’ve had regular panic attacks before. I get one a year, roughly, where I get essentially heart attack symptoms. But this was something else. It felt like something was truly, irrevocably broken with my mind and I couldn’t even…

In social systems or spiritual systems where cannabis is used, this is often called "going clear".

We (general West) have no overarching myth or support system to help people navigate this type of pure madness. We have a psychological framework, and anything that interferes with our capacity to construct an I, a me, an ego in real time is seen in the most ultimately negative terms. And the experience is terrifying, such to support these terms.

Though, if through meditation, through religious constructs, or similar, there is a learned capacity to sit with the experience, it is considered less of a breaking and more of a liberation.

Wouldn't recommend it, wouldn't prescribe it. Though this decoupling of self from experience isn't a universal ill.

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Post by switchbak »

gedy wrote: post #54
block_dagger wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you respect folks who are treating mental/emotional pain or just physical?

The folks I know who attempt to 'treat' themselves with substances generally just get worse. That's not a judgement, just an observation.

There are (illegal) substances that are highly effective for treating these issues, PTSD, etc. Psilocybin, ibogain, etc. Obviously when administered correctly, with therapy, etc.

It seems to me that cannabis users aren’t seeing the benefits of the aforementioned group. My experience of cannabis stoners is that it’s used to numb out and for escapism, which certainly aligns with what you’re saying.

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Post by ngvrnd »

latexr wrote: post #17
embedding-shape wrote: post #5

> researchers were unable to account for several potential confounding factors including the duration and amount of cannabis use or the use of tobacco or other drugs. Personally I'd wager a bet it's the tobacco and/or smoking that is the harmful part, but it kind of dumbfounds me they failed to account for "details" like "duration and amount of cannabis use", that feels like a very vital thing to control for. Nothing…

> Nothing is good for you in too great amounts, even water https://youtube.com/watch?v=XewVicFzRxw&t=152s

cf. paracelsus on the dose and the toxin

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Post by hallole »

johnisgood wrote: post #59
kranner wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edible forms of cannabis raise heart rate and blood pressure substantially as well.

I think this is making the assumption that temporally elevated HR and BP is bad.

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Post by kataklasm »

kranner wrote: post #73
johnisgood wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is making the assumption that temporally elevated HR and BP is bad.

It's a fair assumption being a known potential cause of death. Of course I'm now assuming death is bad.

By that argumentation sport is bad and a potential death risk factor, it also elevates heart rate and blood pressure!
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