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Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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post #23

Porn became easier to access. Men became less horny.

The men part doesn't really matter because birth rates are determined more by women's behaviors than anything else. And the paper does focus on women. Overall, the diffusion of the iPhone explains 33–52% of the decline in the general fertility rate among women aged 15–44.

You're right, he should have said people became less horny

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#82
post #68

I think the cause is mobile phones giving more people exposure to social networks https://blog.est.im/2026/stdin-09 ppl are now having better options than raising a baby.

> ppl are now having better options than raising a baby.

It gets me beffudled people actually think addiction to the virtual crack of social media is a better option.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#83
post #33

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retire? Retiring only on Social Security is pretty tough, and $1.2M would provide like $4K/month income which on top of Social Security may allow for modest lifestyle in some low COL area. Wrt. the original post i'd agree with GP - better information/education is probably the most powerful birth control.

If you don't have children to inherit your fortune to, you can retire with full exhaustion of capital - that will yield way more than 4k$/month. Plus, if you don't have children there is not much holding you in the US - you can look at 2nd world countries. I.e. That money buys you a good retirement lifestyle in Mexiko, Brazil, Argentina etc. Or Vietnam, Thailand etc. if you are more into asia.

> If you don't have children to inherit your fortune to, you can retire with full exhaustion of capital - that will yield way more than 4k$/month.

As a lone elderly person you're likely to be scammed and lose a lot of that capital near the end, without close people that like and support you. Elders are incredibly vulnerable to financial scams, specially those enabled by technologic means they are not familiar with.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#84
post #12

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They compared AT&T users with an iPhone (the only place you could get an iPhone) to users with other carriers. Since people using other carriers also experienced 2008, it's not that.

Even if you control for age and wealth, the people who used iPhones in 2008, i.e. tech hipsters, are obviously different in tangible ways from the people who didn't use iPhones in 2008. It's not possible to prove causality from that.

Aren't iPhones the first sexy enough phone for more than tech hipsters? I still remember BlackBerry (aka CrackBerries), which was what business types used. And then iPhone came along, and pinch-to-zoom was such a sexier UX.

Sheesh, when the addictive scrolling was scrolling through your emails and BB Messenger messages...

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#85
post #44

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You’re just making up numbers

Actually raising a child costs more than $1.2M - just $20K/year invested in S&P500 over the last 20 years would have grown to more than $1.2M. Or those $20K/year could be spend on the child. And $20K/year is pretty low.

> Actually raising a child costs more than $1.2M - just $20K/year invested in S&P500 over the last 20 years would have grown to more than $1.2M.

The future markets of a shrinking world, with consumer and worker cohorts dwindling year after year, will be very different from the last 20. This is paradoxal reasoning. Your're counting on going childless, while the market remains the same, other people keep having children to grow the market. But if everybody else does the same it doesn't work. The mean investment probably will give negative returns, in a fast shrinking world.

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post #41

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Hahaha yes. Those times there still were original Sony to be had and not that Sony-Ericsson crap.

You probably did not use LG or non-Symbian Nokia crap. S-E were really good.

Yeah, I used the E51 and E63

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#87

Here's an anecdote that today's kids are too young to have experienced, but their parents also weren't around for it. I was in middle school when the iPhone became popular. It was pretty sudden, so the social effect was obvious. Their parents probably bought them iPhones because they were addicted too, but it's different when you're in school. Since then have been hoping for a day when this gets undone.

> It was pretty sudden, so the social effect was obvious.

What was this social effect like, according to your memory?

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#88
post #19
post #17

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Maybe some people realized that they could wait a few years and still have kids later, and others didn't think about having kids purely though the lens of evolutionary biology.

Before political correctness hit this area, doctors' observations led to classifying any first pregnancy past 25yo as geriatric. Healthcare progresses in some areas, some (like DS) are rigid to socially defined trends.

Okay? My parents had me at 35 in the 90s, and I'm sure you've met plenty of people who had similarly aged parents. It's not like there's one perfect age for everyone to have kids, and my point is that if some people realize at 25 that waiting five years puts them in a better position to raise kids, what's the problem with that?

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#89
post #23

Porn became easier to access. Men became less horny.

at this point the number of young men wanting a family is higher than women. meanwhile there are more straight women having sex / in a relationship than men, how that is possible when the population ratio is almost 50/50 i leave as a exorcise for the reader...

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#90

Here's an anecdote that today's kids are too young to have experienced, but their parents also weren't around for it. I was in middle school when the iPhone became popular. It was pretty sudden, so the social effect was obvious. Their parents probably bought them iPhones because they were addicted too, but it's different when you're in school. Since then have been hoping for a day when this gets undone.

In my experience it didn’t seem that impactful at the time. The social effect of early Facebook was pretty minor, not that much different to the MSN chats that came before it. I think it’s social media content discovery algorithms specifically that caused the sea change. If we exclude modern social media life really wouldn’t be that different to how it was before smart phones. Obviously I understand smart phones are what enabled this…
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