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Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android an even more effective birth control then?

Hard to say. In 2007-2011, during the time of that study, I was using Nokia Symbian phones.

Hahaha yes. Those times there still were original Sony to be had and not that Sony-Ericsson crap.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

retire? Retiring only on Social Security is pretty tough, and $1.2M would provide like $4K/month income which on top of Social Security may allow for modest lifestyle in some low COL area. Wrt. the original post i'd agree with GP - better information/education is probably the most powerful birth control.

So consume things

Is paying for healthcare and rent and basic food still "consume things"?

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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It is "birth control" but in sort of opposite way. People are now much better informed, thanks to internet and devices like iphone. They do not have to relly on state education (that wants more babies) and popular shows like Friends. State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby, or you have 50% chance it will be taken away. It will also push stats made in lab controlled conditions, an…

You’re just making up numbers

Actually raising a child costs more than $1.2M - just $20K/year invested in S&P500 over the last 20 years would have grown to more than $1.2M. Or those $20K/year could be spend on the child. And $20K/year is pretty low.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it costs $1200000 to raise baby What exactly are you planning to do with all that money anyway? Consume things?

retire? Retiring only on Social Security is pretty tough, and $1.2M would provide like $4K/month income which on top of Social Security may allow for modest lifestyle in some low COL area. Wrt. the original post i'd agree with GP - better information/education is probably the most powerful birth control.

If you don't have children to inherit your fortune to, you can retire with full exhaustion of capital - that will yield way more than 4k$/month. Plus, if you don't have children there is not much holding you in the US - you can look at 2nd world countries. I.e. That money buys you a good retirement lifestyle in Mexiko, Brazil, Argentina etc. Or Vietnam, Thailand etc. if you are more into asia.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#46

It is "birth control" but in sort of opposite way. People are now much better informed, thanks to internet and devices like iphone. They do not have to relly on state education (that wants more babies) and popular shows like Friends. State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby, or you have 50% chance it will be taken away. It will also push stats made in lab controlled conditions, an…

>it costs $1200000 to raise baby What exactly are you planning to do with all that money anyway? Consume things?

The right question is "to what age".

Get all McKinsey and calculate a TCO of a baby from conception to end-of-uni. $1.2M is low-end even for eastern EU, it's more like twice that.

0-to-23. $100K/year. This what a baby costs.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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post #12

I don’t want to be flippantly dismissive but surely there was a certain other event in 2008 that caused many families to reconsider the financial wisdom of starting a family.

They compared AT&T users with an iPhone (the only place you could get an iPhone) to users with other carriers. Since people using other carriers also experienced 2008, it's not that.

Ah but maybe having an iPhone causes you to be more exposed to financial crashes.

Or maybe the type of person that buys iPhones also spends too much on other items causing them to be over leveraged when a financial crash does occur.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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It is "birth control" but in sort of opposite way. People are now much better informed, thanks to internet and devices like iphone. They do not have to relly on state education (that wants more babies) and popular shows like Friends. State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby, or you have 50% chance it will be taken away. It will also push stats made in lab controlled conditions, an…

> State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby

Completely wrong. Not even plausible. You think every family is spending $67K per year, per baby, until they're 18? What?

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#49
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to say. In 2007-2011, during the time of that study, I was using Nokia Symbian phones.

Hahaha yes. Those times there still were original Sony to be had and not that Sony-Ericsson crap.

You probably did not use LG or non-Symbian Nokia crap. S-E were really good.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

#50

this comes to show that sex is just entertainment and it is being crowded out from all sides

In this modern world where highly effective birth control is cheap and straightforward, we really need to stop equating fertility rates with levels of sexual activity. You can have plenty of sex and not have a child; you can have very little sex and have a substantial number of children. It's fascinating to me how personal choice never seems to enter into these discussions, even in relatively highly educated, first-w…

Thank you I was about to post this.

The most absolutely infuriating thing about fertility rate discussions is the conclusion everyone draws of "obviously people aren't having enough sex".

I was sexually active for over 15 years before having exactly 1 child when I decided to.

The limiting factor in the number of children I have has at no point been the frequency of intercourse itself.

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