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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by logifail »

defrost wrote: post #316
logifail wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Vaccines reduce the chance of them spreading it [..] "Citation needed"... Covid vaccination did not reliably or durably block SARS-CoV-2 transmission, especially after Omicron and as immunity waned. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39971395/ The overall VE [Vaccine Effectiveness] of the complete primary series against infection with any SARS-CoV-2 variant was 70.7%. VE was lower for Omicron, at 26.1%, than for pre-O…

Leaving aside the linked study is looking at vaccine effectiveness WRT infection rather than transmission , ... Low effectiveness still agrees with the point made above about reducing chances of spread and transmission. A reduction is still a reduction, even if is not a 100% total and full stop.

> A reduction is still a reduction, even if is not a 100% total and full stop

The advice I was given from our family doctor was that having had an utterly mild case of (actual) Covid, as I had (two separate times!), during the pandemic, was significantly better in protecting against both future infection - and subsequent transmission - than any protection I could have gained by vaccination.

YMMV. I suspect this is down to those who have had mild Covid pre-vaccination and those who have not.

Some of us didn't even know we had had Covid until afterwards, others think the vaccine saved them from an untimely death/hospitalisation.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by netsharc »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #144
netsharc wrote: post #5

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They did zero trials before those billions of doses! None! Straight from the lab into your veins! /S

There wasn’t a single successful phase3 trail of any mRNA vaccine in human or animal before the Covid vaccines were deployed. No /s

There also was never a successful manned landing on the moon before Apollo 11 did it..

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by thiht »

Markoff wrote: post #294
fwipsy wrote: post #262

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If someone refuses a vaccine and then passes on a virus to someone else, who dies, isn't that morally equivalent to "forcing" a vaccine on someone, who then dies? Your argument seems to be "people who choose to put others at risk, should be prevented from doing so." This seems like a much stronger argument in favor of requiring unvaccinated people to stay home rather than putting others at risk? Every death is a trag…

Except COVID "vaccines" did not prevent infecting yourself or someone else, are there still people believing this nonsense? This "vaccine" at best protects you if you are old at risk and it's not good even at doing that comparable with those flu "vaccines".

Not sure why you're using quotes, it IS a legitimate vaccine. Care to elaborate?

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Post by koonsolo »

cedws wrote: post #315
koonsolo wrote: post #275

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In Belgium, the polio vaccine is mandatory, and rightly so. I'm willing to bet that in the next 20 years, some kid in the western world will suffer the consequences of polio, because of the anti-vax lunatics.

The polio vaccine is much older and as far as I could find has never had a death attributed to it. COVID vaccines are newer, and their safety profile was not fully understood when they were rolled out.

Therefore the COVID vaccines were also not mandatory.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by anonymousiam »

mikeyouse wrote: post #265
anonymousiam wrote: post #256

There are credible doctors and scientists who have a different view: https://maloneinstitute.org/reference-project

I’m confused because you said credible doctors and then linked to one of the biggest cranks on the internet.

You may think Malone is a crank, and I will not disagree with you.

The page I linked is a repository that Malone set up for peer-reviewed papers describing MRNA side effects.

Those papers are not authored by Malone, and there are presently over 700 of them on the site.

I believe he did this because authors of those and similar papers have faced political backlash for their scientific contributions. For some reason, many world governments have censored, and advocated censorship of content such as this, and similar content that questions things such as the CoViD-19 point of origin, which for years has been riddled with misinformation.

So you can go ahead an claim that more than 700 peer reviewed papers were all authored by cranks, but my purpose was to point out that the parent article's claims of absolute "safety, effectiveness, and promise" are not unanimously accepted.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by koonsolo »

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #302
fwipsy wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone refuses a vaccine and then passes on a virus to someone else, who dies, isn't that morally equivalent to "forcing" a vaccine on someone, who then dies? Your argument seems to be "people who choose to put others at risk, should be prevented from doing so." This seems like a much stronger argument in favor of requiring unvaccinated people to stay home rather than putting others at risk? Every death is a trag…

> If someone refuses a vaccine and then passes on a virus to someone else, who dies Why wasn't that other person vaccinated?

Some people can't take vaccines because of allergic reactions. Other people have weakened immune systems and so the effect of vaccines is low.

For those people, it's the group that protects them. But of course you always have selfish people that only care about themselves. It was nice to see the amount of selfish people was pretty low in my region, and we got about a 80% vaccination rate.

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Post by koonsolo »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

And it all got a nice little push from Russian disinfo, who took the opportunity to discredit governments even more.

Why do you think all the anti-vaxxers all of a sudden got pro-Russian and anti-Ukraine? Coincidence?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by teamonkey »

logifail wrote: post #321
defrost wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving aside the linked study is looking at vaccine effectiveness WRT infection rather than transmission , ... Low effectiveness still agrees with the point made above about reducing chances of spread and transmission. A reduction is still a reduction, even if is not a 100% total and full stop.

> A reduction is still a reduction, even if is not a 100% total and full stop The advice I was given from our family doctor was that having had an utterly mild case of (actual) Covid, as I had (two separate times!), during the pandemic, was significantly better in protecting against both future infection - and subsequent transmission - than any protection I could have gained by vaccination. YMMV. I suspect this is do…

If you’ve had Covid twice then you’ll have had the antibodies in your system, however there were several strains and getting boosters to maximise resistance was important.

Remember that you caught Covid twice, because your body’s immune system was still not strong enough to make you asymptomatic the second time. You likely caught Covid several times but several of those times you were asymptomatic.

It’s incorrect to say that catching the virus gives you “better” protection than a vaccine. The vaccine teaches your immune system how to react to the virus without the damage and long-term effects caused by actually having the virus. This makes future infections much less severe and you are less likely to spread the virus to others when you catch it.

Worth restating because of all the misinformation out there: a vaccine will not prevent you from catching a virus, it cannot do that. It trains your immune system to fight the virus so that when you catch it your immune system can fight it immediately and symptoms are much less severe (ideally asymptomatic, but that is not guaranteed), so that you have less chance of passing it on.

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Post by rho138 »

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #299
thisisit wrote: post #289

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> They're covered under CICP, which is more stringent and has paid out one person $6 million, and a few hundred grand spread out between some dozen others. This is trying to play both sides. Appeal to emotion without having a rational thought process. Something bad happening is unfortunate and life changing. Then turning around and saying hundred grand isn’t life changing money for people. What exactly is your remedy…

>Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of systematic wrongdoing. The Norwegian country-wide study is evidence enough.

Link?

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Post by qsera »

watwut wrote: post #319
qsera wrote: post #167

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> people would rather let their children die. I see that your are yourself in a position you didn't reason you into.

There wad that kid that died of measles in America and later there was interview with parents. They said basically that. They would change nothing and rather have kid die then get vaccines. At some point, you have to start believing what people say about themselves and their believes. And second, yes that is attitude of political actors who spread fear of vaccines to get votes. Overall impact is exactly that and they…

>They would change nothing..

But by this logic, this is exactly what pro-vax people advocate as well. If a child die right after vaccination, they will still advice people to vaccinate their other kids, because this was just an anomaly?

So are all the pro-vax people maintaining the attitude that they would rather have their kid die or suffer life long than NOT getting the vaccine?

The fallacy in your logic is that you think people reject vaccines because they think the diseases does not have the potential to be dangerous. They do not think that. It is the same reason why you can continue driving despite knowing that accidents can be fatal.

People take a chance, and sometimes they get unlucky. Does not mean that taking the chance was wrong. In the same way you are not wrong if you go out for a pleasure trip in a car and get in a fatal accident.

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