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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Schiendelman »

dehrmann wrote: post #107
wetpaws wrote: post #73

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Nothingburger like pretty much everything that antivaxers talk about

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

It was a nothingburger. It wasn't even a side effect of the mRNA vaccines.

You don't have to care about the people who aren't interested in science. Sure, you have to protect immunocompromised people from those people, and we can do that.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by wbl »

cedws wrote: post #81
swingboy wrote: post #67

Serious question in good faith: what was the deal with the “calamari” (clots?) the anti-vax crowd kept talking about being found in the veins/arteries of folks who took the Covid vaccine?

IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

Not "the vaccines" only adenovirus vector based ones and the vaccines were dropped from use pretty quickly once the safety signal was detected.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by cedws »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #113
cedws wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

This was very uncommon. It was also unrelated to mRNA vaccines, it was the AstroZeneca vaccine vaxzevria, and it was based on an adenovirus.

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by quotemstr »

epistasis wrote: post #35
doginasuit wrote: post #31

I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.

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Nobody's used state power to mandate peptides and social media censorship to reports of adverse effects.

As many of us said at the time, the mandates weren't worth the destruction of public trust, especially because the vaccine wasn't even sterilizing.

The next time there's a crisis, resist the urge to use the government to achieve outcomes by brute force. It doesn't work and has generational adverse consequences.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Sabinus »

wrs wrote: post #78
dogwalker5000 wrote: post #11

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Wow, they literally put an antivaccer in charge of the health department.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't put a flat-earther in charge of NASA.

It's a lot harder to claim success with no evidence in the space race than healthcare policy.

There's a minimum level of actual competence needed for that job to not embarrass the Trump admin.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by ianm218 »

vlian2088 wrote: post #106
babypuncher wrote: post #99

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Two things can be true: Big Pharma can be evil, and their products are much better vetted for safety and efficacy than random peptides sourced form mystery factories.

and do you really think a significant percentage of forced vaccination detractors are taking mystery peptides? have there been studies, or are you vibing this guess off snarky reddit comments?

Anecdotally I know several people who would fall in the camp of anti vax but openly use peptides.

And intuitively it makes sense we’re talking about groups of people who are skeptical of main stream institutional health recommendations but trust specific personal sources for medical advice.

I’m vibing but it feels like there is a pretty clear intersection of peptides and the fringe science health community no?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by vfclists »

epistasis wrote: post #94
_heimdall wrote: post #91

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> Even during the pandemic response it was eventually acknowledged that early claims of vaccines preventing infection or even spread weren't supported by the trials. To the very best of my knowledge this is just misinformation. If you have a citation here, please provide it.

Where are the citations supporting your view that the vaccines were effective at preventing infection?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by nxc18 »

cedws wrote: post #123
throwaway5752 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was very uncommon. It was also unrelated to mRNA vaccines, it was the AstroZeneca vaccine vaxzevria, and it was based on an adenovirus.

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Seatbelts and airbags sometimes kill people, too. Sometimes people die in unlucky ways.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by idiotsecant »

doginasuit wrote: post #31

I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.

It matters over time. The old kooks die off and are replaced with people who are relatively sane until they find new things to be old kooks about.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by tlogan »

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews.

But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government.

That trust was not lost because of one big decision. It was lost through many small, unrelated government decisions that may not seem noticeable or measurable on their own, but over time, they build up.

I do not know how this trust can be rebuilt but definitely not by publishing more reviews.

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