The science doesn't matter to this administration unfortunately: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74dzdddvmjo
This is a thread about the world, not American hubris about its relevance in it
Thanks for the new toll in Hormuz though
Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, he really isn’t. Trump one had a sane (terrible, but sane) cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This time he went for loyalty above all else.
> Trump one had a sane cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This is absurdly revisionist. The first administration’s cabinet/staff was a reality show and a merry go round of people like Anthony Scaramucci and Ryan Zinke. If anything “controlled” it, it was just the chaos of incompetence. As far as loyalty goes, I suppose it’s worth reminding you that Kennedy was a Democrat, who ran in the Democratic p…
Relatively speaking Trump 1.0 had a sane cabinet. Yes, there were some crazies, sure, but relative to the people he has around him now, they seem sane.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, he really isn’t. Trump one had a sane (terrible, but sane) cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This time he went for loyalty above all else.
> Trump one had a sane cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This is absurdly revisionist. The first administration’s cabinet/staff was a reality show and a merry go round of people like Anthony Scaramucci and Ryan Zinke. If anything “controlled” it, it was just the chaos of incompetence. As far as loyalty goes, I suppose it’s worth reminding you that Kennedy was a Democrat, who ran in the Democratic p…
Where’s the Kelly and Mattis in the second term?
Kennedy was a Democrat as a spoiler.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.
Yeah that's called survivorship bias. The ones that make it to market can be wildly profitable to manufacture . Doing all the work to sift through what does and doesn't work to discover new vaccines wouldn't happen without public funding.
No, that’s called pharmaceutical development. That’s the business.
We don’t generally fund Merck’s R&D with federal money. You’ll note the following critical detail from the article:
> That will impact 22 projects being led by major pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer and Moderna, for vaccines against bird flu and other viruses, HHS said.
We’ve gone so far round the bend with partisanship that straight-up corporate welfare has become a left-wing cause.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#65> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occurs more frequently in younger males—are rare and consistently outweighed by the vaccines’ protection reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 y…
> if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 years ago now, I’m waaaaiting!)
Channeling Monty Python:
... I got better
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that vaccine research and production is almost never profitable and depends on government support. Either grants, guaranteed purchases, or both.
Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.
> All research is unprofitable, by definition.
The game to compensate for that is to be to convince gullible investors that your commercially viable fusion plant, or quantum computer, or unrealistic space ambitions are just 5 years away! Invest now or miss out!
The line between research and scamming in an ultracapitalist economy becomes very blurry.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#67Serious question in good faith: what was the deal with the “calamari” (clots?) the anti-vax crowd kept talking about being found in the veins/arteries of folks who took the Covid vaccine?
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#68I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.
Information won’t sway someone who’s views aren’t based on information.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#69The science doesn't matter to this administration unfortunately: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74dzdddvmjo
This administration literally fast-tracked the original covid vaccines for approval. Say what you will about the Covid vaccine or Kennedy’s specific motivations (which I disagree with), but choosing to cut government funding for development of wildly profitable pharmaceutical products is a reasonable choice.
It's literally not the same administration. Also yeah he wants private companies to stop "wild" profits while he grifts the nation with crypto, hosting UFC on white house? You have to be stupid or willfully ignorant to think the current administration gives a single f about unchecked profits or the people's general wellbeing.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#70In the end, do facts even matter in politically charged discussions?
This sounds a bit like providing evidence for global warming, gun control or evolution. The "skeptics" just want to remain ignorant. No amount of evidence will change them.
The silver lining about vaccine skeptics, though, is the Herman Cain award[1]. What this means is that conservatives die more than liberals from preventable diseases [2].