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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by timr »

petilon wrote: post #42
timr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I have to say that this is the most innovative leap of partisan politics I’ve seen so far this year! Most left-wing critics are still struggling with admitting that Anthony Fauci really did provide funding to EcoHealth, despite ample documentation.

Not sure what is partisan about this. Some facts were presented. Not opinions, facts. If you dispute any of the above is factual please back up your assertion with citations.

The facts are true. Blaming Trump is the innovation.

For the record, I don’t care who gets blamed. I just think it’s a hilarious twist of partisan rhetoric.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by lokar »

timr wrote: post #48
lokar wrote: post #43

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Yeah, there would be none without government support. Remember when everyone was contributing spare dimes to fund a vaccine?

No. Pharmaceutical companies love vaccines. They’re relatively easy to make, they’re indemnified against harms, they cannot be generic , and they are wildly profitable. And on top of all of that, they often get mandated by schools, ensuring a captive market. If the government never funded another study for vaccines, ever, pharma companies would continue to pump them out.

The mandate is the government support, it’s a purchase guarantee.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by baronvonsp »

timr wrote: post #41
lokar wrote: post #33

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My understanding is that vaccine research and production is almost never profitable and depends on government support. Either grants, guaranteed purchases, or both.

Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.

Yeah that's called survivorship bias. The ones that make it to market can be wildly profitable to manufacture. Doing all the work to sift through what does and doesn't work to discover new vaccines wouldn't happen without public funding.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by timr »

lokar wrote: post #52
timr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Pharmaceutical companies love vaccines. They’re relatively easy to make, they’re indemnified against harms, they cannot be generic , and they are wildly profitable. And on top of all of that, they often get mandated by schools, ensuring a captive market. If the government never funded another study for vaccines, ever, pharma companies would continue to pump them out.

The mandate is the government support, it’s a purchase guarantee.

…Which hasn’t changed.

Also, for the record: very few (no?) vaccines are “mandated” by the federal government. Recommendations are made, and state and local governments do this, mainly through school districts.

Various agencies and the military will, of course, mandate things for their own staff.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by stinkbeetle »

petilon wrote: post #40
stinkbeetle wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No that was a conspiracy theory fueled by Russian disinformation, the scientists and experts testified that there was no gain of function work being done and debunked it.

Citation needed. If you are going to say NYT article is wrong we need more than just your words.

You really believe some billionaire oligarchs propaganda corporation over foremost self-proclaimed expert Anthony "I am the science" Fauci? Something an agent of Putin would say.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by yieldcrv »

> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occurs more frequently in younger males—are rare and consistently outweighed by the vaccines’ protection

reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse

if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 years ago now, I’m waaaaiting!) for whatever the vaccine did, it would apply to a broader population due to covid exposure

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by epistasis »

api wrote: post #25

The potential for the technology in cancer treatment is what I find most exciting.

Yes, I've been very excited about that for more than 10 years. It may not pan out, it's far more speculative than infectious disease prevention, but when combined with checkpoint inhibitors, and I fear they may not do the bold thing and do fully personalized therapeutic vaccines, but it does provide a great deal of hope.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by petilon »

timr wrote: post #51
petilon wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what is partisan about this. Some facts were presented. Not opinions, facts. If you dispute any of the above is factual please back up your assertion with citations.

The facts are true. Blaming Trump is the innovation. For the record, I don’t care who gets blamed. I just think it’s a hilarious twist of partisan rhetoric.

If the President hires someone who then restarted research that previous admin stopped for being too dangerous, does the President get no part of the blame? The buck stops with the President. If he hired the wrong person--and he has hired plenty of wrong people this time around--he gets the blame for the disasters they cause.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by xboxnolifes »

petterroea wrote: post #10
petilon wrote: post #3

The science doesn't matter to this administration unfortunately: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74dzdddvmjo

If we want to solve that we need to stop enabling career politicians whose only life experience is debating

Right now, we'd be better off if we even had politicians who could manage an actual debate. Seems like we can't get anything other than mudslinging and strongarming right now.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by shakna »

lettergram wrote: post #50
epistasis wrote: post #49

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RFK's reliance on terrain theory, disproved continually since some five hundred years ago, does much to assist in citations - it is common to cite bad science as evidence where we need to improve public comprehension.
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