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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by timr »

lokar wrote: post #33
timr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This administration literally fast-tracked the original covid vaccines for approval. Say what you will about the Covid vaccine or Kennedy’s specific motivations (which I disagree with), but choosing to cut government funding for development of wildly profitable pharmaceutical products is a reasonable choice.

My understanding is that vaccine research and production is almost never profitable and depends on government support. Either grants, guaranteed purchases, or both.

Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by petilon »

timr wrote: post #37
petilon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not many people know that Trump had a hand in starting the pandemic. Here's what we know: In 2014, Obama administration halted the so called "gain of function" research because of risk of laboratory accidents. In 2017, the Trump administration restarted this dangerous research. See links below. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/white-house-to-cut-fun... Excerpt: [Obama administration] White House announced Friday…

Well, I have to say that this is the most innovative leap of partisan politics I’ve seen so far this year! Most left-wing critics are still struggling with admitting that Anthony Fauci really did provide funding to EcoHealth, despite ample documentation.

Not sure what is partisan about this. Some facts were presented. Not opinions, facts. If you dispute any of the above is factual please back up your assertion with citations.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by lokar »

timr wrote: post #41
lokar wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that vaccine research and production is almost never profitable and depends on government support. Either grants, guaranteed purchases, or both.

Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.

Yeah, there would be none without government support.

Remember when everyone was contributing spare dimes to fund a vaccine?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by alex1138 »

epistasis wrote: post #35
doginasuit wrote: post #31

I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by timr »

TylerE wrote: post #21
timr wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re splitting hairs.

No, he really isn’t. Trump one had a sane (terrible, but sane) cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This time he went for loyalty above all else.

> Trump one had a sane cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses.

This is absurdly revisionist. The first administration’s cabinet/staff was a reality show and a merry go round of people like Anthony Scaramucci and Ryan Zinke. If anything “controlled” it, it was just the chaos of incompetence.

As far as loyalty goes, I suppose it’s worth reminding you that Kennedy was a Democrat, who ran in the Democratic presidential primary, and routinely criticized Trump.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by squeedles »

Manufacturing matters, and six years ago, I said that one side effect from the pandemic is that mRNA technology, which had been lab-scale stuff, suddenly had dump-trucks full of money appearing to help them scale their manufacturing.

They apparently settled on the the sequences for the original covid vacs in a weekend. Going from that design to billions of doses is one of the hardest things to do, but once done, will persist. And it is ready to be deployed for the next hundred applications that we find for this.

Flu vaccines is an obvious application, since the prior egg-based manufacturing required about six months lead time and millions of eggs, but nobody wanted to invest in anything better.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by timr »

lokar wrote: post #43
timr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.

Yeah, there would be none without government support. Remember when everyone was contributing spare dimes to fund a vaccine?

No. Pharmaceutical companies love vaccines. They’re relatively easy to make, they’re indemnified against harms, they cannot be generic, and they are wildly profitable. And on top of all of that, they often get mandated by schools, ensuring a captive market.

If the government never funded another study for vaccines, ever, pharma companies would continue to pump them out.

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