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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by M95D »

swingboy wrote: post #67

Serious question in good faith: what was the deal with the “calamari” (clots?) the anti-vax crowd kept talking about being found in the veins/arteries of folks who took the Covid vaccine?

COVID itself causes blood clots. In fact, pulmonary embolism with blood clots is frequent in COVID patients.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/should-you-be-worried-abo...

https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-6205(20)30349-6/fulltex...

https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/140/Supplement%201...

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Markoff »

KiwiJohnno wrote: post #276
cedws wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

Yes, I think you are correct in reducing the argument to its basic factors. Yep, its fucked up. However if we’re going to talk about moral responsibility for vaccine mandates, we also have to consider moral responsibility for non-vaccination leading to spread of a dangerous virus during a pandemic. If you are going to hold one group responsible for vaccine-related deaths of mandated vaccines, you must also hold the g…

> However if we’re going to talk about moral responsibility for vaccine mandates, we also have to consider moral responsibility for non-vaccination leading to spread of a dangerous virus during a pandemic.

that's all nice and dandy except COVID "vaccines" (remember, they had to change vaccine definition for this very reason) did NOT STOP the spread, they were at best protecting some old people, it was completely pointless for young healthy people to risk their lives by taking them

I remember how the vaccine narration/propaganda went - it will protect you from getting infection, it will protect you from symptoms, it will protect you from getting sick, it will protect you from serious symptoms, it will protect you from hospitalization, it will protect you from death, so now basically all they can claim it will protect you from going to hell and you can go to heaven if you use them

> Vaccine deaths were real, and very rare.

so were COVID deaths in people under 50 unless you have some health condition, extremely rare for people under 20-30, yet they pushed down the throat "vaccinesd" to everyone, not just risk groups, which is why vaccine mandates/passes hurt proper useful vaccines for decades ahead

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by auggierose »

fwipsy wrote: post #262
cedws wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, this comment is not arguing against vaccines or their veracity, there seems to have been confusion about that. I am specifically arguing against vaccine mandates.

If someone refuses a vaccine and then passes on a virus to someone else, who dies, isn't that morally equivalent to "forcing" a vaccine on someone, who then dies? Your argument seems to be "people who choose to put others at risk, should be prevented from doing so." This seems like a much stronger argument in favor of requiring unvaccinated people to stay home rather than putting others at risk? Every death is a trag…

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Markoff »

fwipsy wrote: post #262
cedws wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, this comment is not arguing against vaccines or their veracity, there seems to have been confusion about that. I am specifically arguing against vaccine mandates.

If someone refuses a vaccine and then passes on a virus to someone else, who dies, isn't that morally equivalent to "forcing" a vaccine on someone, who then dies? Your argument seems to be "people who choose to put others at risk, should be prevented from doing so." This seems like a much stronger argument in favor of requiring unvaccinated people to stay home rather than putting others at risk? Every death is a trag…

Except COVID "vaccines" did not prevent infecting yourself or someone else, are there still people believing this nonsense? This "vaccine" at best protects you if you are old at risk and it's not good even at doing that comparable with those flu "vaccines".

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

defrost wrote: post #290
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they are. I'm mandated by the government to live in a country that has cars and gun ownership.

Your government refuses to let you leave the country? That aside, they also command you to own both a car and a gun?

> Your government refuses to let you leave the country?

This argument also applies to you: by your logic, vaccine mandates are perfectly fine because you can leave the country.

> That aside, they also command you to own both a car and a gun?

The problem isn't me owning a car and gun, the problem is obviously everybody else. I'm rather unlikely to drive into myself while driving my own car.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Markoff »

nesarkvechnep wrote: post #224
z3ratul163071 wrote: post #221

how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?

Did they die?

would they die if they didn't take the vaxx? plenty people who got vaxx died anyway, plenty people who got COVID died as well, some of them from COVID, most of them were just infected while dying and COVID had really nothing to do with their death, but it was needed to pump those numbers about scary dangerous COVID so govs can go on powertrips while taking pocket money from pharma lobby

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Markoff »

fivetenpen wrote: post #225
z3ratul163071 wrote: post #221

how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?

They were never meant to prevent people from getting COVID. They were meant to prevent people from dying due to COVID. The fact they were able to tell you they had COVID means it was a resounding success (not dead).

there are literally people in this discussion talking about these vaccines preventing COVID spread, parroting this complete nonsense politicians and "experts" made when they pushed these "vaccines"

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by boruto »

z3ratul163071 wrote: post #221

how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?

I took two doses of mRNA vaccine, I still got covid, the fever, the pains it was horrible, I was in a foreign country alone where I didn't speak the language. I say this because that was the scariest moment of my life, I am thankful to the people who invented them.

I honestly believe it would have been worse had I not taken the vaccine.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

thisisit wrote: post #289
LMYahooTFY wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps "vaccine skeptics" say this because the Covid vaccines are not covered under VICP. They're covered under CICP, which is more stringent and has paid out one person $6 million, and a few hundred grand spread out between some dozen others. My friend who was diagnosed, by multiple doctors in two hospitals with Myocarditis caused by the vaccine has yet to receive any money. It ruined his career. "Tyranny of the mi…

> They're covered under CICP, which is more stringent and has paid out one person $6 million, and a few hundred grand spread out between some dozen others. This is trying to play both sides. Appeal to emotion without having a rational thought process. Something bad happening is unfortunate and life changing. Then turning around and saying hundred grand isn’t life changing money for people. What exactly is your remedy…

>Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of systematic wrongdoing.

The Norwegian country-wide study is evidence enough.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by shermantanktop »

mullingitover wrote: post #152
dehrmann wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

Dismissing people who dismiss the antivax movement like this is part of what fuels the anti-anti-vax movement.

I see you’ve played knifey-spooney before!
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