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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by irjustin »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #155
squeedles wrote: post #46

Manufacturing matters, and six years ago, I said that one side effect from the pandemic is that mRNA technology, which had been lab-scale stuff, suddenly had dump-trucks full of money appearing to help them scale their manufacturing. They apparently settled on the the sequences for the original covid vacs in a weekend. Going from that design to billions of doses is one of the hardest things to do, but once done, will…

> but nobody wanted to invest in anything better. Not sure if you mean nobody wanted to develop mRNA flu vaccines, but at least Moderna and Pfizer are: https://www.npr.org/2026/06/18/nx-s1-5863570/flu-vaccine-mrn...

The parent is talking about pre-covid, no one wanted pay the upfront cost to bring mRNA out of the lab.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by guywhocodes »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

No I don't think they are safe because I still suffer from the damage it did to my heart

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by no-name-here »

qsera wrote: post #192
no-name-here wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't believe every developed countries’ medical bodies on vaccines, where do you get your info on this? (As to the ‘pro-vax’ question, I'd define it as someone who is open to listening the medical bodies of every developed country on the planet.)

So what is the logic here? If the only entity that you can get information from is an entity that is known to lie, you can trust this entity? It is not that we know for a fact that X is not safe. It is that we have no reason to believe that the powers that can ensure that, does not have an incentive to do it, and a large financial incentive to NOT do it and instead grease a lot of palms and get it mandated. This is p…

I think your own logic supports the opposite from your conclusions?

I'm saying that every developed country's medical bodies support that these vaccines are safe.

Are you claiming that every developed country's medical bodies do not have an incentive to make the right decisions around vaccines? That they will be too cautious because they are afraid of approving something that turns out to be unsafe, or the opposite that they have no fear of approving something unsafe?

Are there any examples you'd point to of where developed countries' medical bodies approved something unsafe because they were bribed, as you imply is the norm today?

But most importantly, if you think every developed country's medical bodies should not be used as the source of info about safety vs benefits, what should be? Or what should be the system even if it doesn't exist today?

> is an entity that is known to lie

What are you referring to?

> the common man cannot any relavant information about it from any other source.

The common man is inundated with info about vaccines from other sources, although much of it is misinformation, etc.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by [deleted] »

cedws wrote: post #81
swingboy wrote: post #67

Serious question in good faith: what was the deal with the “calamari” (clots?) the anti-vax crowd kept talking about being found in the veins/arteries of folks who took the Covid vaccine?

IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by natureiskino »

voxl wrote: post #208
cedws wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

Comparing it to the trolley problem is incorrect. COVID had real potential to kill you , even as a young person. At that point its a matter of risk assessment for yourself. Take a 2% chance of dying, a slightly higher chance of reduced quality of life (long COVID), or take a lottery-winning chance of dying to this blood clot. It is appropriate to do the math correctly to decide if this makes sense, but to claim that…

>Comparing it to the trolley problem is incorrect. COVID had real potential to kill you, even as a young person.

I don't think this is correct. If you remove the people with comorbidities, the risk for healthy young people was minuscule, there's way other issues you should concern yourself with at that point, rather than dying from COVID.

Vaccinating young people with something that had the potential of side effects was just dumb, either way you look at it. I'm honestly baffled it was accepted. It seems to be the product of mass hysteria, sustained by greed for profits.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by zmgsabst »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #209
yieldcrv wrote: post #56

> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occurs more frequently in younger males—are rare and consistently outweighed by the vaccines’ protection reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 y…

“Rare”? :) We don’t know the actual numbers as pericarditis and myocarditis can occur asymptomatically, and people truly need to be under very active medical surveillance to detect it

I believe Thailand did actively monitor some kids and found about 1 in 35 childhood COVID vaccinations.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by doginasuit »

Schiendelman wrote: post #119
doginasuit wrote: post #31

I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.

It's not about swaying individuals. Let people believe their stupid stuff. It's about swaying investors and regulators. And yeah, we need to make sure we excise our regulators of crazy people, but that's cyclic. And next cycle, we'll get vaccines for a lot more.

Point taken, but it isn't just a matter of individuals, it is a popular movement that has captured a significant part of role of regulators. The research is still valuable, but its lack of influence is not a problem that is safe to dismiss.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by jansan »

wbl wrote: post #122
cedws wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

Not "the vaccines" only adenovirus vector based ones and the vaccines were dropped from use pretty quickly once the safety signal was detected.

Let's not forget that Norway was heavily criticized by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and several international health experts for its decision to permanently drop the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
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