how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?
Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…
Society is the trolley problem. The balancing act between individual and collective rights is the lever being thrown every time we pass a law or make a regulation. I can absolutely empathize though. It really is fucked up to experience it in the extreme. Usually the trade-offs are much more minor or have a big time delay or are more abstract.
Lots of societies who started with some killing “for the common good” ended in atrocities.
The statistics on men under 25 are still horrific and suggest this was in fact the latter category: atrocity masquerading behind that euphemism.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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Sounds like a oppurtunity for health educatation. 99%+ of people dont know they can look in the USPI for this data. However, it isnt the best and most up to date, which the regulator and FDA would have and are unlikely to share.
100% of people who Google something like "how do we know the covid vaccines are good" would discover that the tool we use to figure that out is called a "clinical trial." Then they can look up "covid vaccine clinical trial results." The reality is none of these "do your own research" or "just asking questions" people are actually curious whatsoever. Curiosity requires more than zero effort. Simply saying you're "doin…
Im not sure what point you are making.
Are you opposed to public health agencies sharing science based facts and helping people find the data?
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#224how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?
Did they die?
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#225how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?
They were never meant to prevent people from getting COVID.
They were meant to prevent people from dying due to COVID.
The fact they were able to tell you they had COVID means it was a resounding success (not dead).
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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Comparing it to the trolley problem is incorrect. COVID had real potential to kill you , even as a young person. At that point its a matter of risk assessment for yourself. Take a 2% chance of dying, a slightly higher chance of reduced quality of life (long COVID), or take a lottery-winning chance of dying to this blood clot. It is appropriate to do the math correctly to decide if this makes sense, but to claim that…
A nice lottery simulator which had me stop playing the lottery https://perthirtysix.com/tool/lottery-simulator
Oh fun, I won the $330m jackpot after 3.5m tickets, the lesson is apparently lost on me :)
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#227how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?
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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#228Serious question in good faith: what was the deal with the “calamari” (clots?) the anti-vax crowd kept talking about being found in the veins/arteries of folks who took the Covid vaccine?
IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…
> Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because they have legal immunity for the COVID vaccines.
There is remedy against vaccine harm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compen...
This was passed in response to claims against DPT vaccine and manufacturers stopping production of the said vaccine. Lawmakers feared loss of herd immunity and passed the law. Now vaccine skeptics say this is not enough and claim inability to sue the company directly as an issue - but what they really want is enforce their minority view on the majority by suing companies and ensuring no one has access to vaccines - tyranny of the minority.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#229Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
100% of people who Google something like "how do we know the covid vaccines are good" would discover that the tool we use to figure that out is called a "clinical trial." Then they can look up "covid vaccine clinical trial results." The reality is none of these "do your own research" or "just asking questions" people are actually curious whatsoever. Curiosity requires more than zero effort. Simply saying you're "doin…
Im not sure what point you are making. Are you opposed to public health agencies sharing science based facts and helping people find the data?
No? My point is the data is all available and always has been.