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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by llama052 »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #145
0xy wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a small minority of people who are adamantly refusing to change, such as there are in every technological revolution. Ego prevents them from even wholeheartedly trying the tool, because it would be admission they were wrong. The opportunities available for these people are rapidly, rapidly shrinking. I believe it's possible to be a developer today who's EXCEPTIONAL and never uses AI. Most opponents are not ex…

I can’t turn 10x work into 20x work because I have to ensure the two juniors in my team who are now creating 50x work won’t merge complete garbage, reviewed by another engineer that has already given up on caring. I can’t turn 10x work into 20x work because my Product Manager thinks changing fundamental premises of tasks I already spent two weeks on (mostly removing human blockers) is very simple. After all, when he…

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Schiendelman »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #248
Schiendelman wrote: post #236

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That is not how most engineers define bad code.

> That is not how most engineers define bad code. The engineers I have worked with most definitely define "bad code" as having intrinsic limitations and/or latent defects which impact successful system functionality/operation. Indicators provided to stakeholders such as yourself which support this assessment are, but not limited to: - the system doesn't work that way - the system lacks test coverage, so changes take…

Please stop being rude to me. I'm a human being, I'm a very experienced product manager and engineer (you can google my name, I'm the only one), and the way you are behaving sucks.

Everything you're saying is true, sometimes. Assume I'm still right, and that you might be able to learn something from someone else.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by baq »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #233
K0balt wrote: post #99

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This x 10 . I don’t understand how people are saying you can’t use LLMs to get crazy productivity gains. If you can’t write quality code with LLMs at ludicrous speed, you’re holding it wrong. You will have occasional bad days and regressions. But overall you’re still going to be able to 4x your progress.

I measured an ~8x increase in my project's commit count after AI, and I'm painstakingly reading, reviewing, understanding and editing everything the models write. It's gotten to the point I'm trying to slow down in order to let the new knowledge crystallize. I'm manually writing articles about what I'm doing as I go. I can only imagine what people are doing at their jobs with unlimited token budgets.

You don’t have to imagine, listen to Boris’ publicly saying how he works with these things and it’s safe to assume others do it similarly or better

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by tjpnz »

softwaredoug wrote: post #123

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

Applies to all industries with the memory care patient currently occupying the White House. Passing laws won't help when they can be effectively struck down until the next sitting of the SC.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

nickv wrote: post #83

I bet you that nothing changed with how Fable 5 is run. "Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models" LOL, this was already happening. This clown car administration just keeps making shit up and then backpedalling in a way that just leaves everything worse.

> The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks.

Looks like it's gonna be even harder to use than before, if not impossible. Subscription users only get it for a week, and only for 50% of that week's usage.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by zombot »

Sammi wrote: post #45
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

So the panic generators ("You will be left behind!") are winning. Creating a sense of urgency that makes you switch off the higher rational functions is a key element in every successful scam.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by vilevile »

qingcharles wrote: post #244
artisin wrote: post #224

Silly me for hoping they'd actually honor their original 14-day promise. Per their latest blog post, they've generously slashed the timeline to 7 days, but wait there's more! It's now limited to 50% of your weekly usage: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally... Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available v…

Yeah, this seems a bit Scrooge-y after all the trouble which was essentially of their own making. I was expecting them to come back with a better deal as an apology, not a worse one.

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by baq »

nmfisher wrote: post #196
echelon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speed.

From my brief window of Fable usage, speed wasn't its strong point at all. For actually building software, I'm starting to suspect a human with a dumber (but faster) model is going to get the job done quicker than Fable (and possibly even cheaper). Bug-finding and vulnerability detection is a different story.

I’d say you tried on an insufficiently complex codebase. I’ve tried on a MLOC+ and the results were excellent compared to anything else.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

echelon wrote: post #241
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #209

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>> What concrete business advantage are you getting from LLMs? > Speed. Speed of what? Speed of understanding what needs to be done? I highly doubt it. Speed of LoC checked into git? Sure, I'll give you that. But one can use any number of tools to generate hundreds of thousands of lines of code. See any build tools which support specifications such as RAML, OpenAPI, CORBA, etc. So I ask again; speed of what?

In the time it took you to type that, your hourly market comp went down another basis point. I am appalled none of this is clicking with you anti-AI folks. This is all so exciting -- alarming even! --, and software careers are never going to be the same. I don't know how you just metaphorically stand there and act like nothing at all is happening. We've never seen anything like this in our entire lives. Some of you a…

Nice strawman[0], but you avoided answering my core question:

  Speed of what?
With ad hominems and a non sequitur. How about I narrow the question with the hope it engenders a relevant response:

  How do LLMs increase the speed of a person understanding
  what needs to be done?
0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Der_Einzige »

SwellJoe wrote: post #96
Sammi wrote: post #45

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I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

This is nonsense.

The gap between Chinese models and American frontier models is estimated at 10 months by Anthropic themselves, and it's growing.

China has no flywheel for long-form agentic traces like Claude Code and its telemetry over its userbase (no one uses the Chinese harnesses yet). Most Chinese models are forced to price themselves significantly below cost to compete with the huge demand for bootleg claude tokens, because they're that much worse.

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