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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by sph »

nerdsniper wrote: post #8
thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

Jellyfin + Jellyseer + PassThePopcorn has served me and my friends/family well. I pay $50/mo now for a seedbox with 16TB but it serves 20 people. I would self-host for $0/month but my current apartment only has Xfinity, not AT&T and the upload isn’t enough to self-host. It’s less about the money and more about: 1) Having a single place to go for any TV show or movie. I found it very frustrating trying to figure out w…

I had to move, haven't settled yet, so my entire setup of Radarr/Sonarr/Kodi + torrent in a VPN container is gone and I miss it so much. The result is that I haven't been watching any movies or TV show for the past year or so. I miss them, but doing it legally or setting up something anew on a VPS is too much work or too much risky.

That said, wouldn't you have an invite for PassThePopcorn? Never heard of this one, I thought it was yet another iteration of that popcorn streaming app that was popular a decade ago. I always managed with public trackers, never cared about the entire interview process: I hate it for work, I hate it for fun even more. Email in the profile if you wish to share.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by secretsatan »

VohuMana wrote: post #80
Manuel_D wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For streaming yes, but downloads are still copyright infringement on the part of the downloader. An unauthorized copy is being made on the recipient's machine. It's true that copyright holders rarely pursue cases against individuals, and tend to focus on distributors though.

Have there been any cases since the Meta ruling with the books they torrented? If I understood it right they argued and won that they didn’t seed any of the torrents so is fair use and the judge agreed. That case made it seem like as long as you don’t seed/distribute the copyrighted material then it is legal

I believe this is the current situation in switzerland, plus, the swiss have a tv license you have to pay if you have anything that could show media digitally so i feel doubly justified pirating things.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by lyu07282 »

Telaneo wrote: post #166
lyu07282 wrote: post #147

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> Digital movies on DVD and Blu-Ray discs on our shelves. It actually already got a bit more fuzzy with Blu-Ray and especially with later BD+ doesn't it? You own some encrypted data, but there is absolutely no guarantee you will always have access to a player with the right keys and a TV that is compatible and isn't refusing to play it. It already drove the needle way past acceptable copy protection, do not buy Blu-R…

> It actually already got a bit more fuzzy with Blu-Ray and especially with later BD+ doesn't it? You own some encrypted data, but there is absolutely no guarantee you will always have access to a player with the right keys and a TV that is compatible and isn't refusing to play it. Buy this definitions, DVDs are also problematic, given they're also encrypted. Blu-rays are universally cracked by this point, so I fail…

no the difference is CSS (the encryption of DVDs) has been broken, but AACS of Blu-ray has never been broken itself. Cracking it relies on player keys being leaked and those are getting rotated in newer disks, that's what I was hinting at. They also do some ridiculous stuff with obfuscated virtual machines in BD+ and audio watermarking that may mute your ripped disk on newer TVs (I'm not joking[1]). So again: don't buy blu-ray either!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by Telaneo »

lyu07282 wrote: post #173
Telaneo wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It actually already got a bit more fuzzy with Blu-Ray and especially with later BD+ doesn't it? You own some encrypted data, but there is absolutely no guarantee you will always have access to a player with the right keys and a TV that is compatible and isn't refusing to play it. Buy this definitions, DVDs are also problematic, given they're also encrypted. Blu-rays are universally cracked by this point, so I fail…

no the difference is CSS (the encryption of DVDs) has been broken, but AACS of Blu-ray has never been broken itself. Cracking it relies on player keys being leaked and those are getting rotated in newer disks, that's what I was hinting at. They also do some ridiculous stuff with obfuscated virtual machines in BD+ and audio watermarking that may mute your ripped disk on newer TVs (I'm not joking[1]). So again: don't b…

Looks like I was wrong. Fair enough.

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Post by 10729287 »

Retr0id wrote: post #38
throwaw12 wrote: post #35

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> DVD deteriorates to the point of becoming unreadable If I am the reason for damaging my purchase then I am fine with that characteristic of the purchase. Same happens with books, you buy the copy and if you don't take care of it, soon it will become unreadable.

DVDs degrade naturally. Good care will extend the lifespan but not indefinitely.

I’m still playing CDs from 1985 without any issue. And they often sound way nicer than overcompressed remasters I can find on Spotify. Would it be different with DVDs for a reason I ignore ?

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by goblin89 »

jrmg wrote: post #112
naturalmovement wrote: post #70

Not limited to PlayStation. Apple's been doing this for years. I have iTunes music going back to the day the store opened. Some of it is now missing from the iTunes cloud (or Apple Music or whatever it's called this week). It would be gone forever had I not made a local backup. At least Sony's contacting customers. I was looking for songs I knew I had and couldn't find them until I searched a local backup. When I com…

With Apple, you can at least download the media you bought and keep it. Could you do that with these PlayStation store movies?

I have a smart playlist that gets automatically populated with songs in my library that are not available (evidently pulled) on Apple Music anymore, and it is growing with tunes that I like and that are sometimes impossible to find elsewhere. If I had the foresight to get actual copies, I could still listen to them. I don’t think there’s any way to download them, but I didn’t “buy” them via iTunes Store, just streamed them.

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Post by buzer »

Telaneo wrote: post #164
buzer wrote: post #135

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In Finland DVD's CSS was ruled to be strong technical copy protection system (tehokas tekninen toimenpide). In that exact case a person had made a program which bypassed it and published it. He was found to be criminally liable though he didn't get any fine/prison time from what I remember. In Finnish criminal law the threshold is "significant harm", but given that there were already multitude of ways to get around D…

Shoutout to DVD-Jon from Norway.[1] I'm pretty sure we've settled on it being legal nowadays, but it took at least that court case for it to happen (not to mention that it was a fucking clown show). There's a quote on his Norwegian Wikipedia page from the then minister of justice: 'Some people may think [circumventing DVD DRM] is cool and stuff, but this is an activity that is devastating for the industry'. If it rea…

Finnish case happened after DVD-Jon. To my knowledge there also hasn't been any new cases which went other way (or any way) in Finland & law hasn't changed so it's technically still illegal. Of course it's up to prosecutor to determine if they want to actually go ahead with prosecution & it's also not a crime which gets discovered often so the risks are quite low, especially if you are just ripping DVDs for personal use.

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Post by einsteinx2 »

paradoxyl wrote: post #131
pico303 wrote: post #130

I found a local store that specializes in used movies on DVD, BluRay, 4K discs and video games from Atari to PS5. I’ve started picking up hard copies of everything so I’m (a) not tracked and (b) can’t have my stuff taken away.

I believe DVDs and Blu-Ray discs and players will increase in value over time, almost like samizdat printing presses -- underground video viewers that let us watch movies without the monolithic globalist corporate police state observing, penalizing, demanding identitification, and trying to extract an ounce of monopolist rentier blood.

I don’t know it sounds a lot more likely to me that piracy will just come back in popularity in a big way instead. Why pay inflated prices for old machines that will certainly break and old discs when you can just download a DRM free copy easily for free?

When streaming first took off piracy hit all time lows, but it’s already been coming back in a big way and I’m sure will only continue to do so going forward as things like this keep happening and streaming keeps getting more expensive and fragmented.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by makeitdouble »

pessimizer wrote: post #92
makeitdouble wrote: post #86

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Have you ever bought a ticket to a concert ? what did you actually own ? I get the feeling, but this whole outrage about what words mean is sterile if you don't actually engage with what is sold here, by who from who, what was the contract, how it was setup and why. How do you feel about the right holders who also didn't bother providing simple "buy, download and it's forever yours" avenues to get that content ? Or a…

> Have you ever bought a ticket to a concert ? what did you actually own ? A ticket that would allow you entrance into a particular concert. Is this some sort of rhetorical question? I can't decipher what it's attempting to illustrate.

The original post was about the use of verbs.

> it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when [...]

The use of "buy" and "purchase" were never restricted to ownership or unlimited rights, we buy licenses, usage rights, priority tokens, all sorts of lottery tickets and weirder abstractions every day.

GP probably wants digital movies to have a specific purchase model, but the discussion has to be about the model, not the vocabulary. Right now I actually have no idea what they'd be willing to accept as a middle ground to rights management.

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