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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by mzajc »

sib wrote: post #84
dc3k wrote: post #2

it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date

So... I used to work in the "digital movie & TV selling" industry. Our product detail pages, like pretty much all our competitors, had language on the call-to-action buttons that said "purchase" (and also, as an alternative, "rent," for 48- or 72-hour viewing). At one point, about 10 years ago, one of the major Hollywood studios came to us and required us to change that because they believed that exactly this sort of…

"Rent for 48h", and... "Rent until we say the time is up"?

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by poisonfountain »

thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

This isn't exactly a case of lack of regulation but IP rights/arrangements expiring. The world needs less IP protection laws, not more.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by LocalH »

nayuki wrote: post #79

> Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours Wrong, Kotaku. Lots of digital things are ours. Digital files on our personally owned HDDs and SSDs. Digital movies on DVD and Blu-Ray discs on our shelves. Digital ISO files on hard drives that are ripped from the aforementioned digital physical DVDs. What you meant to say is, streaming content is not ours - and that is true by definition, because the data is streame…

Digital in this context is merely shorthand for "digitally distributed", as opposed to "physically distributed"

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by LocalH »

fluoridation wrote: post #109
xboxnolifes wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a big can of worms, since it applies to approximately 100% of all software. You only ever buy a license that allows you to use software, almost never actually buy software.

Copyright law has been playing semantic games with "buy" and "own" for decades. When I buy(1) something, it's mine, and I can do what I want with it. The person whom I buy it from doesn't have the right to rescind my rights over the thing I bought. When I buy(2) a software license, does the seller have the right to claw back the license? If not, then buy(1) and buy(2) are conceptually identical, and there's no differ…

Clearly, in Sony's case here it is buy(2), and they've reached into people's accounts and removed content (even using the term "purchased" in the notice email).

This should be criminal. If the sale copy says "buy" "own" "purchase" then they must not be allowed to remove your license to that content by any means.

I'm fine with them removing content from storefronts. I'm even okay with them saying "you're responsible for your downloaded copies, if we decide to discontinue licensing you won't be able to redownload". I'm not fine with them saying "buy" "own" "purchase" and then coming in later "oh we decided to change the licensing situation and so you no longer have access to what you have 'purchased'". That is theft, more than copyright infringement ever could be.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by gmerc »

Manuel_D wrote: post #39
gherkinnn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/08/playstationed/#tyler-jame...

Correct: it's copyright infringement, not theft.

We all just need to compress them into LLM weights.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by gorpigo »

nerdsniper wrote: post #8
thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

Jellyfin + Jellyseer + PassThePopcorn has served me and my friends/family well. I pay $50/mo now for a seedbox with 16TB but it serves 20 people. I would self-host for $0/month but my current apartment only has Xfinity, not AT&T and the upload isn’t enough to self-host. It’s less about the money and more about: 1) Having a single place to go for any TV show or movie. I found it very frustrating trying to figure out w…

How did you find your way into PTP? I’m in a few but PTP it sounds like they expect you to be a mass uploader. I’m and seeder but how would anyone even “find” me? Do I need to be involved in the forums of the private trackers I use today?

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by riffraff »

Manuel_D wrote: post #39
gherkinnn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/08/playstationed/#tyler-jame...

Correct: it's copyright infringement, not theft.

But the point is the movie industry has been trying to tell us that it is stealing.

"You wouldn't still a car" etc etc..

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by knodi123 »

nayuki wrote: post #79

> Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours Wrong, Kotaku. Lots of digital things are ours. Digital files on our personally owned HDDs and SSDs. Digital movies on DVD and Blu-Ray discs on our shelves. Digital ISO files on hard drives that are ripped from the aforementioned digital physical DVDs. What you meant to say is, streaming content is not ours - and that is true by definition, because the data is streame…

This is technically true, but not helpful. These online services have buttons that say "rent" and "buy", they don't say "rent for a little while" and "rent for a longer but unknown amount of time". Of course they can go out of business, but the impression they intentionally give to the customer is that if you click "buy", you get access to the movie for as long as the site exists.
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