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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date

That's a big can of worms, since it applies to approximately 100% of all software. You only ever buy a license that allows you to use software, almost never actually buy software.

I'm quite alright with that can of worms being opened for software. Enthused, even.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date

That's a big can of worms, since it applies to approximately 100% of all software. You only ever buy a license that allows you to use software, almost never actually buy software.

I'm reasonably certain when I ordered linux CDs in the 90s, no one put a limit on the time frame I could be using them

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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post #48

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DRM is like a vibe, man - if you have the ability to output a video stream to an arbitrary display device you can always bypass DRM and it's never been illegal[1] to do so (though publishing approaches to defeat it often is). 1. To my knowledge, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

"bypassing DRM" is explicitly illegal according to DMCA. Don't conflate "unenforce{d,able}" and "legal".

Gosh, I didn't know the DMCA went that far. I had assumed it was in line with Canada's TPM related laws which do disallow direct circumvention of DRM but do specifically except format shifting if the copy will be used for a legal purpose. I guess be careful and check your local jurisdiction.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct: it's copyright infringement, not theft.

Which is on the side of the distributor, not the end recipient.

For streaming yes, but downloads are still copyright infringement on the part of the downloader. An unauthorized copy is being made on the recipient's machine. It's true that copyright holders rarely pursue cases against individuals, and tend to focus on distributors though.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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post #57
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is like a vibe, man - if you have the ability to output a video stream to an arbitrary display device you can always bypass DRM and it's never been illegal[1] to do so (though publishing approaches to defeat it often is). 1. To my knowledge, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

"bypassing DRM" is explicitly illegal according to DMCA. Don't conflate "unenforce{d,able}" and "legal".

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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I feel these license agreements have to be set up in such a way people that already bought their movies get to keep them, like okay Sony lost the licences and they shouldn't sell it to new customers but existing customers should get to keep their movies. Since companies don't care the government needs to force their hand and put it into law

Exactly. Sony/Playstation can lose their right to issue further licenses, but the existing licenses should be honoured. As that's apparently not baked into the existing contracts, someone needs to legislate that such basic consumer rights are required, and all existing and prior contracts interpreted as if these rights were in place.

Make it work the same as delisted games where you can go into your purchase history and click download.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date

That's a big can of worms, since it applies to approximately 100% of all software. You only ever buy a license that allows you to use software, almost never actually buy software.

And if that one-time purchased software stops working at an arbitrary date, it should be subject to the same rules. Especially online software or software requiring servers to run.

You can still offer limited-time subscriptions, of course, and you can extend the minimum deadline for your server-dependent software to free as often as you want, just make sure people know what the deal is when they buy your software.

DVDs and other media also aren't yours to buy, they're just licenses and a physical container to use that license. You can buy software the same way you can buy a DVD, and you can rent software the same way you can rent a movie on a digital storefront.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Yes, 100%, and that end date should be very clearly listed too.

Oftentimes that end date is not clearly knowable and can't be communicated explicitly, but consumers should still be aware of the fact that their rights are limited. While the Gaben lives valve will store many people's games - when the Gaben dies... well, it's going to suck - but it'll probably take a while to completely suck, we'll probably go through drawn out enshittification first. This outcome seems inevitable[1…

Companies selling these titles should know a minimum end date. Even if contracts don't get renewed, it's unlikely they will only have the rights for less than a year.

If that minimum drives customers away, these companies should put more work into ensuring their minimum availability is a good deal.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Not limited to PlayStation. Apple's been doing this for years.

I have iTunes music going back to the day the store opened. Some of it is now missing from the iTunes cloud (or Apple Music or whatever it's called this week). It would be gone forever had I not made a local backup.

At least Sony's contacting customers. I was looking for songs I knew I had and couldn't find them until I searched a local backup.

When I complained, I got a boilerplate "tough titties, sometimes we lose licensing" response.

Always keep hard copies people.

This foolishness of trusting someone else to host your stuff for you? Well now you know.

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