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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by verelo »

Jblx2 wrote: post #37
verelo wrote: post #11

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None of those things are knowledge. I think theres something specific around limiting access to knowledge and capabilities that makes this feel insidious.

Information is covered by ITAR, so that's not new. You can illegally export information about an ITAR covered item by just allowing a foreign national the potential to see an item. They don't even have to prove the foreign national actually did see it. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-22/chapter-I/subchapter-M...

Land of the free, clearly.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

digitaltrees wrote: post #234
ch4s3 wrote: post #225

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Not really. They’re all lousy pro tariffs, anti immigration, pro tech regulations, and so on. Paul Ryan is gone.

They still spout off about free markets all the time with no sense of irony.

They'll literally tell you it's not raining while you're standing there getting soaked. [1] Anything the Republicans say is meaningless.

1: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/artic...

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Post by citadel_melon »

tyre wrote: post #149
slashdave wrote: post #71

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Well... there are crypto startups, and perhaps a generous definition of "money"

Crypto companies were built for anonymous transfers of wealth. It's why they are perfect for money laundering and corruption. Venture backed companies are more difficult, since you would need a paper trail (equity, incorporation documents, beneficial owners, etc.) It's not impossible, of course. It's not even terribly difficult, but it does require a different level of record. (No, I'm not saying that the goons runni…

VC companies do not dig into the numbers as you suggest. FTX was able to get away with their fraud for a long time for that very reason. VC companies don’t care if some of their investments are fraudulent as they spread their eggs so thin that it doesn’t matter if any given basket blows up. VC firms stated this to the press outright when FTX blew up.

Also most crypto companies are not good for laundering since the blockchains record that fraud forever and publicly. I could see some specific protocols where that may not be true — like monero or tornado cash — but these projects are not really startups. Most crypto startups pitch their products for enterprise customers and thus would be horrible for laundering money.

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Post by naturalmovement »

viscountchocula wrote: post #142
naturalmovement wrote: post #90

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[flagged]

Genuine question: are non-citizen users within the US considered an "export"?

It depends.

Green card holder? No.

Everyone else*: Yes.

* It's far more complicated and nuanced than this.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

Alupis wrote: post #221
preg_match wrote: post #197

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It wasn’t. Biden largely didn’t do much. The trump administration does illegal things that get struck down in courts on a daily basis. We’re all very desensitized to it. But yes, Biden was old and cognitively not well. But his “whims” didn’t exist much, and they were always fairly reasonable. Trump is the most unreasonable president, most likely in US history. I would even categorize Andrew Jackson as more restrained…

The courts struck down many Biden policies as well. People just give those a pass because "SCOTUS is rigged" or something...

The only big one I remember is the college loan forgiveness thing.

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Post by davesque »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #173
kristopolous wrote: post #55

Next time someone tells you this is the party of free market and small government, I guess you just laugh now?

The authority under which this was done has been operative and actively used for several decades. It isn't a partisan issue, it is a policy of American governance. Anyone that has worked on frontier "dual use" technologies will be familiar with the legal regime. The only thing that changed is people are writing articles about it in the news media.

Also known as, the tu quoque fallacy. Just because politicians in both parties have been doing this for decades doesn't mean that this administration is not especially hypocritical for doing it after whinging so much about free speech and free markets.

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Post by calvinmorrison »

tzs wrote: post #15
coffeemug wrote: post #9

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Regulatory agencies limit uses of other products without acts of congress-- cigarettes, vapes, drugs, pesticides, chemicals, explosives. Even firearms, despite a constitutional amendment! Why not models? (Note I am not arguing it's a good idea; I'm making a narrow argument that there is precedent.) EDIT: I agree that it should require an act of Congress to explicitly delegate this power.

> Regulatory agencies limit uses of other products without acts of congress-- cigarettes, vapes, drugs, pesticides, chemicals, explosives. Every one of those is by a regulatory agency that was explicitly empowered by Congress to do such regulation.

right, and one minute to the next a gun you bought could be a crime to own and land you in jail LOL.

congress has abdicated its role entirely.

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Post by calvinmorrison »

preg_match wrote: post #217
twoodfin wrote: post #201

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The Chevron doctrine gave more power to the executive agencies of the current administration, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

That repealing the chevron doctrine was a calculated play in the unitary executive theory. We all know congress is basically useless these days. But we also know that regulation isn’t, like, optional. It’s going to happen no matter what. So what’s left? Where does that decision making go? Turns out the executive, so that’s what we’ve been seeing and it’s largely uncontested. This should have been obvious to most peop…

perhaps congress could do something other than vacation

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Post by ls612 »

tyre wrote: post #154
Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Don't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

You don't have to send your tokens to the CCP to use the Chinese models, that is the beauty of it. You can find GLM, Minimax, Deepseek, Kimi, etc hosted in China, Europe, the US, and probably elsewhere depending on what your geographic preferences for token transport are.
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