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Post by Alupis »

preg_match wrote: post #197
Alupis wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More like "the whims of an eighty year old in cognitive decline..." The previous administration was totally not exactly what's described here...

It wasn’t. Biden largely didn’t do much. The trump administration does illegal things that get struck down in courts on a daily basis. We’re all very desensitized to it. But yes, Biden was old and cognitively not well. But his “whims” didn’t exist much, and they were always fairly reasonable. Trump is the most unreasonable president, most likely in US history. I would even categorize Andrew Jackson as more restrained…

The courts struck down many Biden policies as well. People just give those a pass because "SCOTUS is rigged" or something...

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Post by JackC »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #177
alanwreath wrote: post #86

I’m not sure what the US government is trying to do. At first it seems like they are just trying to stifle some company that said no. Now they are just doing free publicity. It’s like never before have I wanted to try something out as much as this. They’re in effect saying “nothing else is as powerful as what Anthropic put out”. Even though that might not really be the case it’s what it sounds like.

Is there any evidence at all that would convince you that they're trying to mitigate real risks that actually exist?

I mean, we're talking about an administration that has already over-reached in regulating this specific company out of personal bias; is openly seeking leverage over companies for favoritism and graft; hires on the basis of loyalty to whims of a narcissist; makes fun of the whole idea of competent government based on expertise; provides a range of conflicting explanations for whatever it chooses to do; and has been unable to field a team capable of understanding or explaining whatever real risks are here.

Your question is like asking what evidence would convince us that a bag of rocks doesn't have rocks in it. Easy, just take the rocks out.

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Post by azan_ »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #204
azan_ wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you did not make any point, you keep using buzzword without referencing any data. You did not even link exact study you are talking about (there are lots of nejm covid studies…). You did not reference a single number. So please, if you want math actually make your point without bullshit about me consuming media etc.

Seriously? There is only one study that the FDA cited to claim that it was safe and effective submitted by Pfizer. But let me help then. Let's ignore the fact that the head of the FDA was fired and replaced because he refused to say so. Let's just look at the research directly. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Love to hear your input here. Check the math carefully. > "Covid vaccines are very safe a…

Yes, that study shows safety of the vaccine, so what’s your point? Could you actually just say what’s your point? I can’t tell you why you are wrong if you don’t tell me what’s your problem.

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Post by m4nu3l »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #207
m4nu3l wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very bad analogy. Markets behave like an imperfect optimisation algorithm, and you can prove that, under some conditions which are most often met, they give people what they want. In fact, you can almost always expect governments to be less effective and less rational than markets in allocating resources to satisfy the desires of people, even when democratic. You can prove it either by using the same logic…

You can't prove your free-market theory because it's not falsifiable. This is why arguments about this go in circles. You either argue from a pure theoretic POV back and forth, or you go off data - at which point, bringing up every failure of free markets (like, obviously, US healthcare) is dismissed as "not really a free market" Even the theoreticians on the free-market side are far less solid than.. all the other s…

> You can't prove your free-market theory because it's not falsifiable.

You can prove the logic part starting from the assumptions. It's also falsifiable. I just mentioned it was literally the most controlled test on human society you could make. We tested by splitting societies at the level of the entire planet, states and cities.

US healthcare is mostly not a free market; by free market, at minimum, I mean that the quantities and prices (ideally even the quality) are not set. The US healthcare system has a fixed number of practitioners who can get a license every year. This is as far as a market can be from being free (together with the case of having price controls). In fact, free market theory predicts that when you restrict quantity, you get higher prices for the same quality. It literally predicts the US situation.

It's funny you mention Marx, given I regard most of his claims as either unfalsifiable or easily proven false.

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Post by ch4s3 »

digitaltrees wrote: post #218
ch4s3 wrote: post #134

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They haven’t claimed to be the free market party since Obama was in office. Trump very much ran an anti free market campaign the first time.

Yes they have.

Not really. They’re all lousy pro tariffs, anti immigration, pro tech regulations, and so on. Paul Ryan is gone.

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Post by defrost »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #183
defrost wrote: post #182

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> a much greater injury and death rate attributable to vaccines than COVID. Explain Australia then, specifically the absence of nation wide injury and death following the short period in which 98% of a population ~ 24 million or so, got two to three rounds of vaccines with a new definition. Fantastic case study for such widespread ill effects to clearly and unambiguously show up - the country is isolated and has had…

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Data first.

What was that injury rate in Australia, how many of the > 20 million vaccine recipients died or were injured by vaccines.

Where are these deaths and injuries greater in magnitude than COVID deaths and injuries?

I cannot answer for you or your governments odd notions. Feel free to concentrate on actually making and landing a solid point with peer commenter azan.

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Post by [deleted] »

preg_match wrote: post #217
twoodfin wrote: post #201

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The Chevron doctrine gave more power to the executive agencies of the current administration, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

That repealing the chevron doctrine was a calculated play in the unitary executive theory. We all know congress is basically useless these days. But we also know that regulation isn’t, like, optional. It’s going to happen no matter what. So what’s left? Where does that decision making go? Turns out the executive, so that’s what we’ve been seeing and it’s largely uncontested. This should have been obvious to most peop…

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Post by dmix »

digitaltrees wrote: post #211
typeofhuman wrote: post #185

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The only correct reply.

If by correct you mean, inconsistent with the American tradition of the rule of law and commitment to equal protection of the law, and the emergence of an authoritarian kleptocracy that picks winners and losers. Then yes. Correct.

Which has been obvious trend the last few decades and is now being done openly and shamelessly like a tinpot dicator. Largely through a new populist protectionism ideology that is popular on social media. Which makes it much more public and well documented.

Usually companies do this stuff quietly with lots of small new rules via Congress creating barriers to entry or through national security angles like the Chips act which funneled money and tax breaks to huge weathy companies, or Boeing, or the car industry, etc.

Anthropic and OpenAI went hard in the paint pushing for AI safety and it backfired into hurting their companies rather than protecting their interests.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

sagarm wrote: post #194
jandrewrogers wrote: post #173

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The authority under which this was done has been operative and actively used for several decades. It isn't a partisan issue, it is a policy of American governance. Anyone that has worked on frontier "dual use" technologies will be familiar with the legal regime. The only thing that changed is people are writing articles about it in the news media.

Jumping in to reflexively defend the admin again, I see. Is there any policy from this admin you don't support?

I am making an observation of fact. My feeds are full of ignorant hot takes that clearly demonstrate people have no clue about current law or how the government actually works. Your response is a perfect demonstration of this. This is neither unique to the current administration nor supporters of a particular party.

I don’t support the admin but if you are unwilling to engage with reality then that is on you.

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Post by orangecat »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #207
m4nu3l wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very bad analogy. Markets behave like an imperfect optimisation algorithm, and you can prove that, under some conditions which are most often met, they give people what they want. In fact, you can almost always expect governments to be less effective and less rational than markets in allocating resources to satisfy the desires of people, even when democratic. You can prove it either by using the same logic…

You can't prove your free-market theory because it's not falsifiable. This is why arguments about this go in circles. You either argue from a pure theoretic POV back and forth, or you go off data - at which point, bringing up every failure of free markets (like, obviously, US healthcare) is dismissed as "not really a free market" Even the theoreticians on the free-market side are far less solid than.. all the other s…

at which point, bringing up every failure of free markets (like, obviously, US healthcare) is dismissed as "not really a free market"

I mean, it's not. In a free market you'd have a choice of insurance providers rather than having to take whatever plan your employer offers, and you'd have some idea of what the hospital is going to charge you beforehand rather than receiving random bills for weeks.

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