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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by zamalek »

lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

You can't make a clean-room implementation of an open source project using a frontier LLM because it has the original code in its weights.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by Aurornis »

goobatrooba wrote: post #202

One other Twitter comments reveals that they probably just asked an AI to copy Papermark. Evidenced by AI comments saying the page was aligned to the "reference" https://xcancel.com/ffumarola/status/2070479755892371713#m

Unreal. I had to go back to the original Tweet to confirm that screenshot wasn’t faked.

The comment clearly says “Mirror’s the reference design’s”

I don’t know how they could try to spin that as anything other than having an LLM launder someone’s code as a “reference design”

Even if they try to argue that the “reference design” was Figma, the identical copy means they had to have copied Papermark into the reference design.

The fact that they’re refusing to back down and admit they made a mistake is not a good sign for the company. I would not want to be one of their clients when it came to trying to dispute something.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by chabons »

zamalek wrote: post #231
lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

You can't make a clean-room implementation of an open source project using a frontier LLM because it has the original code in its weights.

They didn't even attempt to make a clean-room implementation, they just had the LLM clone it for them with access to the source.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by [deleted] »

manwithopinions wrote: post #135
nfw2 wrote: post #131

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They are worth 3 billion after two years so it seems like they are doing all right with their strategy although I'm old now and don't want to do that

They’re not really, it’s just the YC hype cycle. The business is selling insurance to other YC startups with some AI flair. They’re not even the first YC startup to do this, a previous YC insurance startup was acquired a few years ago for ~$1bn. So, they’re worth 3x the exit of the exact same company… because of what, AI? The fact that they’re cloning other software to release SaaS products is extremely bearish. Why…

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by probabletrain »

nlitened wrote: post #230
mmonaghan wrote: post #211

ehhhh I'm not a corgi stan but I'd bet they just took the design & copy, which is totally fine imo. Often better to just take another's design instead of spend a bunch of cycles figuring out flow. This is doubly true for secondary pages/layouts/features. If I were them, I'd have changed copy and probably done some internal testing to smooth rough edges/improve where needed but sounds like they're moving as quickly as…

Design (output of designers) and copy (output of copywriters) are subject to the same copyright law as code (output of programmers). Programmers are not the only people whose intellectual property is protected.

I'd be very surprised if the very-similar-looking design of corgi's product breaches any copyright law, copyright of design or layout is much more finicky than copyright of code. This seems like more of a moral issue than a legal one.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by luisln »

lynndotpy wrote: post #214
claydugo wrote: post #210

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Its where the community is despite the loud minority online pretending thats not the case

X is not even in the top 10 active user count. It ranked just above Quora and below Reddit. It's just not a super popular platform. X fans constantly have to denigrate everyone else as a "loud minority". Clearly, "the community" is not all on X. If it were, why would we be having conversations here on Hacker News? Anyways, the real answer you'll still see some X links here is that 1. A not insignificant amount of peo…

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by charcircuit »

handoflixue wrote: post #178
ncruces wrote: post #149

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You might be surprised to learn that the work of a copywriter is also copyrighted.

That's a weird thing to say in response to someone saying "the text was rewritten, so it's not actually a copy"

You are intentionally misrepresenting my comment. I explained that it was not verbatim which refers to an exact copy.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by nailer »

gilleain wrote: post #224
palmotea wrote: post #200

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> It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types... It had to look that slang up: https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words . > ...often have trouble with the fuzziness of things like law. In reality, copyright infringement is often more like the porn test, you know it when you see it. I'd say it's more like the fuzziness defeats most of the software-style "exploits" those types gravitate tow…

A very clear example of this is the 'Sovereign Citizen', who have bizarre beliefs around how to interact with courts. As far as I understand it, there are some 'cheat codes' people believe (incorrectly) are effective in literally getting you out of jail free. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement > Another common belief among sovereign citizens is that they can opt out of the purported contract, ma…

> Like, why would this be true

Steel-manning the sovereign citizens movement (which I don't believe in): they believe authority comes from the consent of the populace, which is a true statement and in many countries founding documents, they mistakenly think that means the law doesn't apply to them when they as an individual do not consent.

They basically don't get that democracy is the tyranny of the many.

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