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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by ncruces »

Kwpolska wrote: post #186
handoflixue wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a weird thing to say in response to someone saying "the text was rewritten, so it's not actually a copy"

On the first screen, the only "rewriting" done was s/dataroom/Room/g.

And the fixed version of that screen (a few tweets later), simply removes the copied text.

Which goes to show there was never any original work to fallback to.

"See, if I remove the detailed descriptions - and the LLM regurgitated the rest - nothing will have been copied."

Some people really want to defend "build me a copy of thing because I don't like the license" to be acceptable behavior.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by rafram »

throwawalien wrote: post #112
nfw2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did an interview a couple years ago when Corgi was first hiring engineers. Nico and I ... did not click and it was probably the least smooth interview I've ever had despite it just being a phone screen. I wouldn't be that surprised if Nico genuinely thinks "we didn't copy the code" is a reasonable defense. It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types often have trouble with the fuzziness of thing…

I never made it to the interview phase because on the phone screen they mentioned they all work 7 days a week in office. nope nope nope nope.

They're willing to admit "5 to 6 days a week" in writing [1]! Crazy stuff. Also a notably huge number of job openings, including for a head of HR [2]. Worrying signs, I would say.

[1]: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/corgi-insurance/jobs/X...

[2]: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/corgi-insurance/jobs/Y...

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by fouc »

bushido wrote: post #192
NikxDa wrote: post #130

From what I can tell, his argument seems to be that 1. no code was manually copied by a developer, and 2. all software in the same space copies off of each other But the big giveaway here is the exact same layout/copywriting on both products. Telling an LLM "write this product and build a 1:1 clone" is still copying by all sensible definitions. The fact that he argues nothing was copied is ridiculous.

They're both boilerplate ShadCN from the looks of it: https://ui.shadcn.com/blocks ShadCN is the most popular design system that AI automatically reaches for 90%+ times on its own. It's also the default most platforms like lovable, etc.

I looked at that link and was unable to find any blocks that matched the 4 images? "Replicate Room Folders" and all

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by gilleain »

palmotea wrote: post #200
nfw2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did an interview a couple years ago when Corgi was first hiring engineers. Nico and I ... did not click and it was probably the least smooth interview I've ever had despite it just being a phone screen. I wouldn't be that surprised if Nico genuinely thinks "we didn't copy the code" is a reasonable defense. It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types often have trouble with the fuzziness of thing…

> It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types... It had to look that slang up: https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words . > ...often have trouble with the fuzziness of things like law. In reality, copyright infringement is often more like the porn test, you know it when you see it. I'd say it's more like the fuzziness defeats most of the software-style "exploits" those types gravitate tow…

A very clear example of this is the 'Sovereign Citizen', who have bizarre beliefs around how to interact with courts. As far as I understand it, there are some 'cheat codes' people believe (incorrectly) are effective in literally getting you out of jail free.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

> Another common belief among sovereign citizens is that they can opt out of the purported contract, making themselves immune from the laws they do not wish to follow, by declining to "consent": when confronted by police officers or other officials, sovereign citizens typically attempt to negate their authority by saying, "I do not consent"

Like, why would this be true, and if it was, why would law enforcement and courts go along with it? I find it very odd.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by chihuahua »

john_strinlai wrote: post #187
overfeed wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am curious how this will play out legally I am curious if/how YC will handle this to get ahead of earning a reputation of being a den of scammers - a few months after the Delve scandal

> I am curious if/how YC will handle this to get ahead of earning a reputation of being a den of scammers flock is a YC company, so it's pretty clear that YC does not care about a negative reputation. as long as it makes money, nothing else matters.

Let's recall that YC used to be run by Sam Altman of all people, which confirms what you are saying.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by johndhi »

nfw2 wrote: post #106
lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

I did an interview a couple years ago when Corgi was first hiring engineers. Nico and I ... did not click and it was probably the least smooth interview I've ever had despite it just being a phone screen. I wouldn't be that surprised if Nico genuinely thinks "we didn't copy the code" is a reasonable defense. It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types often have trouble with the fuzziness of thing…

is "we didn't copy the code" NOTA

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by kg »

lynndotpy wrote: post #214
claydugo wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its where the community is despite the loud minority online pretending thats not the case

X is not even in the top 10 active user count. It ranked just above Quora and below Reddit. It's just not a super popular platform. X fans constantly have to denigrate everyone else as a "loud minority". Clearly, "the community" is not all on X. If it were, why would we be having conversations here on Hacker News? Anyways, the real answer you'll still see some X links here is that 1. A not insignificant amount of peo…

In general the art community - not just limited to pornographers - seems to have stuck by X despite all the AI stuff. When I see people posting art it's almost always an X link, even for artists who have accounts on bsky or instagram or whatever.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by gherkinnn »

liendolucas wrote: post #140

Can someone give a bit more of context on this thread? I have no idea who Nico is nor what Papermark is or does. As an aside thought not related to the thread: Is it my perception or people are getting more used to not only vibe code things from existing solutions/projects but also "steal" open source code and do whatever the heck they want without complying morally/ethically/legally to the whole premise of open sour…

No morals, no ethics. The other day I skimmed some of the countless vibe coding videos on YT and the vast, vast majority surfacing through a naive search are basically get rich quick crap.

Identify a one-feature app that (supposedly) makes money and vibe it up. Done is your "I vibe coded a 10M MAU app in 40 minutes" vid.

From crypto to NFT to vibez. Rotten to the core, the difference is that this time around LLM are actually useful in some areas.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by elphinstone »

conartist6 wrote: post #218
lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

This absolutely needs to go to court. We badly need to know what the law even is , and this is the most perfectly blatant example we're going to get of bad behavior that might or might not be legal

The OSS team affected could contact major insurers and insurance industry trade orgs for legal and financial assistance. It's quite likeky this Laqua guy has made enemies and his "startup ethics" potentially has Corgi violating numerous laws and regulations in what is a fairly well regulated industry.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by nlitened »

mmonaghan wrote: post #211

ehhhh I'm not a corgi stan but I'd bet they just took the design & copy, which is totally fine imo. Often better to just take another's design instead of spend a bunch of cycles figuring out flow. This is doubly true for secondary pages/layouts/features. If I were them, I'd have changed copy and probably done some internal testing to smooth rough edges/improve where needed but sounds like they're moving as quickly as…

Design (output of designers) and copy (output of copywriters) are subject to the same copyright law as code (output of programmers). Programmers are not the only people whose intellectual property is protected.
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